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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/22/11 04:15 PM
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"Just got this from LX forum where I posted this question to the SRT Engineering people The crank will physically fit..yes...however you'll crash valves without a reduction in valve lift. The Tone Rings have been changed...yes they are interchangeable...make sure you change your crank sensor too if you do that." Only applies to stock pistons? If you use aftermarket pistons w/ reliefs  you should be OK?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 2734bbl]
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 2734bbl]
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09/23/11 12:50 PM
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
This is basically what i was thinking about doing! 
Zippy and anyone else who might know, what kind of power could a person expect to make with a combo similar to this? 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/23/11 01:31 PM
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
This is basically what i was thinking about doing!
Zippy and anyone else who might know, what kind of power could a person expect to make with a combo similar to this?
HEY HANDS OFF LOL there is only one crank in the mopar inventory.hopefully they make more.
As for the power I think a .020 over 5.7 with 3.72 crank, would result in the same CID as a 6.1. So power wise should have more tq and a little less HP. 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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09/23/11 02:25 PM
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No worries here! LoL it will be next winter before I'm done gathering parts  . I have 2 core 5.7 motors and a pair of 6.1L heads, still have a long way to go before it makes it into the car. I'm excited to see one of the combos go together abd see how it pans out.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 2734bbl]
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09/23/11 02:51 PM
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No worries here! LoL it will be next winter before I'm done gathering parts .
I have 2 core 5.7 motors and a pair of 6.1L heads, still have a long way to go before it makes it into the car.
I'm excited to see one of the combos go together abd see how it pans out.
2 5.7 
I think your a hoarder. Lol Up here they want 800.00 to1200.00
Mine will be a mild ONCE I GET A CORE. Planning on installing it in my 03 Dakota as a daily driver.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/23/11 03:36 PM
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No worries here! LoL it will be next winter before I'm done gathering parts .
I have 2 core 5.7 motors and a pair of 6.1L heads, still have a long way to go before it makes it into the car.
I'm excited to see one of the combos go together abd see how it pans out.
2 5.7
I think your a hoarder. Lol Up here they want 800.00 to1200.00
Mine will be a mild ONCE I GET A CORE. Planning on installing it in my 03 Dakota as a daily driver.
It helps that I work at an all chrysler salvage yard  $800 for a core? that's pretty steep. 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 2734bbl]
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09/23/11 03:49 PM
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No worries here! LoL it will be next winter before I'm done gathering parts .
I have 2 core 5.7 motors and a pair of 6.1L heads, still have a long way to go before it makes it into the car.
I'm excited to see one of the combos go together abd see how it pans out.
2 5.7
I think your a hoarder. Lol Up here they want 800.00 to1200.00
Mine will be a mild ONCE I GET A CORE. Planning on installing it in my 03 Dakota as a daily driver.
It helps that I work at an all chrysler salvage yard $800 for a core? that's pretty steep.
Sorry running engine.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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You dont have to worry about me buying that crank. 
But i do want to see someone build one of these. 
I won't get the crank. Inventory shows one but they apparently can't get the status on it.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/23/11 06:20 PM
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
This is basically what i was thinking about doing!
Zippy and anyone else who might know, what kind of power could a person expect to make with a combo similar to this?
HEY HANDS OFF LOL there is only one crank in the mopar inventory.hopefully they make more.
As for the power I think a .020 over 5.7 with 3.72 crank, would result in the same CID as a 6.1. So power wise should have more tq and a little less HP.
....020" over,,,???...is that possible,,,without some really thin cylinder walls...?...just asking...I have heard some different opinions...
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
This is basically what i was thinking about doing!
Zippy and anyone else who might know, what kind of power could a person expect to make with a combo similar to this?
HEY HANDS OFF LOL there is only one crank in the mopar inventory.hopefully they make more.
As for the power I think a .020 over 5.7 with 3.72 crank, would result in the same CID as a 6.1. So power wise should have more tq and a little less HP.
....020" over,,,???...is that possible,,,without some really thin cylinder walls...?...just asking...I have heard some different opinions...
No real world experience but I think remand engines are .020 over.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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So if the info from the 6.4L Apache crank thread holds true then using a 5.7L block(more of them),6.4L crank(C.I.D.),Eagle heads(flow and CR),DP or Eagle intake,good rods,5.7L 9:1 pistons (offset Eagle heads)and a custom cam to match a guy could put a pretty stout Gen 3 togther for what I would say is VERY reasonble cost.
Yes or no? :shruggy
This is basically what i was thinking about doing!
Zippy and anyone else who might know, what kind of power could a person expect to make with a combo similar to this?
HEY HANDS OFF LOL there is only one crank in the mopar inventory.hopefully they make more.
As for the power I think a .020 over 5.7 with 3.72 crank, would result in the same CID as a 6.1. So power wise should have more tq and a little less HP.
....020" over,,,???...is that possible,,,without some really thin cylinder walls...?...just asking...I have heard some different opinions...
No real world experience but I think remand engines are .020 over.
No real experience here either,,,just trying to gather some info for a build I do have going on. Seems there are alot of people interested in this build,,but,,getting any REAL info seems to be hard right now.
I had some 'basic' ideas on how to go about building one,, but,, when I talk to some people that have actually built them,,I am getting different ideas..the same old techniques with the old B/RB/A engines don't seem to apply so much.... 
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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No real experience here either,,,just trying to gather some info for a build I do have going on. Seems there are alot of people interested in this build,,but,,getting any REAL info seems to be hard right now. I had some 'basic' ideas on how to go about building one,, but,, when I talk to some people that have actually built them,,I am getting different ideas..the same old techniques with the old B/RB/A engines don't seem to apply so much....
You would think that somebody has some info other than the FSM.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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We have like 8 or 9, 5.7 blocks and 3, 6.1 blocks laying around. Started hoarding the 5.7's when the 5.7 Eagle engines came out and grab up the new 6.1's whenever I can.
I just picked up a couple fully machined, ready to assemble 5.7 blocks from a engine reman shop that was going out of business for $75 ea. One was bored .020" over and the other .040".
The stoutest block of all are the very few and rare 5.7's that were available in 2002 3/4 ton Hemi Ram trucks. Those blocks can safely take up to a 4" bore.
From all the later 5.7 blocks we have and I sonic checked, (what a long day lol) basically a 060" over 5.7 will have the same wall thickness of a .020" 6.1.
Jerry Williams.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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We have like 8 or 9, 5.7 blocks and 3, 6.1 blocks laying around. Started hoarding the 5.7's when the 5.7 Eagle engines came out and grab up the new 6.1's whenever I can.
I just picked up a couple fully machined, ready to assemble 5.7 blocks from a engine reman shop that was going out of business for $75 ea. One was bored .020" over and the other .040".
The stoutest block of all are the very few and rare 5.7's that were available in 2002 3/4 ton Hemi Ram trucks. Those blocks can safely take up to a 4" bore.
From all the later 5.7 blocks we have and I sonic checked, (what a long day lol) basically a 060" over 5.7 will have the same wall thickness of a .020" 6.1.
Thank you sir
Any advice on assembly I'm not asking for secrets lol but maybe some things to look for for your average sub 550 HP.
I heard that the oil squirters need to be positioned right.
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