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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: STEFF]
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Sounds like I will be making a call to BES. Steff, have you run yours yet?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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09/12/11 06:07 PM
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Eric, maybe you will have better luck than I did with BES. they blew me off when I called. they told me to call there there other company HTTP or something that deals with all the 3G Hemi stuff. I got the same crap from INDY all they wanted to do was send me a catalog. I spent a good amount of $ on building my 6.1 stroker. None went to INDY or BES  IF you want to talk to one of the best guys in the business Call Jerry at Shardaon performance. He has helped me a ton. Always available for questions and he has built more 3G HEMIS than most of these other guys have thought about. He goes my " hemidup" on here  " gremlinsteve " and " Steff " " Zippy" are other sources that have first hand knowledge.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/12/11 08:07 PM
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The BES engine also used the older 5.7 Hemi heads. Take a look at the picture of the chamber and you'll see the quench pads. 5.7 Eagle heads don't have those. Also with our dyno testing our older 5.7 ported head made 30 hp/20 tq more than our ported 6.1's. Too many guy's get lost about cfm flow numbers and forget about port velocity.
I also agree with Zippy about CCV. I just picked up a set of those very rare 6.1 aluminum valve covers and plan to tig up some breathers on them. Just trying to figure out a design to put a baffle in them. I'm too cheap to buy the aftermarket taller one's. lol
Also, if there were oiling issues with the way these Gen III Hemi's are oiled, you would see the # 7/8 rods being taken out. Most failures are with the #5/6 and I have only seen 1 failure with the #3/4 and that was on Teuton's last weekend. I have my own theories as to why the center rod bearings are affected and after some more research, hopefully I can post up the fact's.
I could be wrong but the article shows a 5.7 eagle chamber head and they stated a late model head 
Check it out. See the quench pads?
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1103phr_bes_417ci_gen_iii_hemi/photo_12.html
Here's a pic of the very first set of closed chambered Gen III Hemi heads we did back in 2006.
Not being an A- H$$$ but hear a picture of a eagle chamber I am trying to figure out what is different. Also trying to learn something 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/14/11 10:20 AM
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SO..Does that mean that the 6.4 block could become available? What are the differences?
THe 2 major differences if iam not mistaken is
1. The Bore size
2. The Cam tunnel newer 5.7 and 6.4 uses a different cam core b/c of the VVT. Last time i check cams choices were far less since must "aftermarket" cams for them are reground stock cams.
Also as of now there is no aftermarket computer that can control the VVT. However the name of the company escapes me right now but there is a way to lock the VVT so you don't have to worry about that. Check the LX forum for more info on locking the VVT a bunch of guys are doing it over there.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/14/11 11:14 AM
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Unless I'm overlooking something it seems to me it'd be fairly simple on the manufacturing end to convert the VCT/VVT engines to standard cam, so folks can have some fun with them. The main part it would take, is a partially machined VCT cam core. Machine the bearing journals only, don't drill the VCT oil holes, and just sell them to the aftermarket grinders and let them finish grinding the lobes. I wonder if that could happen  No, seriously. I am not hinting at anything, just wondering if it is viable.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/14/11 01:28 PM
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There MIGHT be more of them produced, but if that happens I don't think it will continue for very long. I know it might contradict what I've said previously, but this new stuff is always changing and new rumors are always flying around. I don't interface directly with those decision makers either, so I've gotta find out 15th hand which makes that particular info very rough. I had believed there would be a dry spell, and they would come back....what I don't know is, when they will come back and if so how long it will last. overall impressions: It appears to me that the company wants to go reman on that type of service part ASAP after production has stopped or has been altered in some way, that prevents the part from being produced in the right quantities without tremendous expense. Look at what has happened to Gen 3 cylinder heads already. At some point, probably sooner rather than later, new ones are not going to show up in reman packaging...and reman will really be reman. Maybe I am wrong and the supply won't stop, but my gut is not telling me that
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: ZIPPY]
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09/14/11 01:48 PM
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There MIGHT be more of them produced, but if that happens I don't think it will continue for very long.
I know it might contradict what I've said previously, but this new stuff is always changing and new rumors are always flying around. I don't interface directly with those decision makers either, so I've gotta find out 15th hand which makes that particular info very rough.
I had believed there would be a dry spell, and they would come back....what I don't know is, when they will come back and if so how long it will last.
overall impressions:
It appears to me that the company wants to go reman on that type of service part ASAP after production has stopped or has been altered in some way, that prevents the part from being produced in the right quantities without tremendous expense. Look at what has happened to Gen 3 cylinder heads already. At some point, probably sooner rather than later, new ones are not going to show up in reman packaging...and reman will really be reman.
Maybe I am wrong and the supply won't stop, but my gut is not telling me that
Zippy What block is being used for the 392 (525hp)crate engine. I would assume it doesn't have the VCT cam tunnel. My guess it is just a 5.7 stroked
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