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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
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09/30/11 10:31 AM
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congrats,, i was thinking about buying it,, finding such a good car to start with, and a 4 sp,, is hard to find,, awsome you got it!!  
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
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09/30/11 12:19 PM
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Im really jelious of the Duster.. littereally my dream car. If it were me, Id build the original motor with a few performance upgrades.
1971 Plymouth Duster 340 auto
1937 Plymouth PT50
1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 4 speed
2013 Ram laramie 2500 hemi
2008 Harley FLSTSB springer
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
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09/30/11 10:12 PM
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68427 & Mopars1- Thanks! It was my dream Duster too when I first saw it on ebay. Unmolested #'s matching red 340 4spd 71 Dusters are very hard to find and I knew finding another one like it would be hard to do, if not impossible. The fact I was going to pick it up and pay for it in person really sealed the deal with the seller. Its the last car I'm going to restore for awhile and is truly a keeper in my mind. It goes to the media blaster sunday morning!!  As far as the motor goes I'm undecided right now. In the garage is the #'s 340, a low mile 360, and a dual quad 512. So I have some options. I've been so busy with work and getting the car ready for paint that I haven't thought too much about what the final goal will be. Other than being able to drive it anywhere. Scott, yes I've taken lots of pics with my good camera. It clearly was sprayed upward from the bottom, although the latch tray support is a little confusing. My guess would be the core support, fender wells and lower pinch welds were painted at the same time. 
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/01/11 12:31 AM
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I'd reccomend saving the original engine in a bag and building another 340 or even a 360. Add a stroker crank (night and day difference in power and looks and sounds totally stock). If you want to save a few bucks you can use the original heads, intake, carb, accessories, etc. on the new engine and just save the numbers shortblock. Two reasons I reccomend this. #1 you will always have a numbers matching car (which is exceedingly rare with 340 stick 71 Dusters) and #2 you can bag on it guilt free when it's done. Nobody will know it's not the original engine unless you tell them, they all look the same on the outside.
*I hope you are getting a bunch of pics of your forward radiator support blackout brfore getting it stripped? From all angles if you haven't, not much good info on that.
Would it really be worth is for a 340 duster? Restoring a car is expensive as it is already adding the cost of another motor just puts you deeper in the hole. I'm facing the same issue with my 383 roadrunner and I can't justify the expense. A buddy of mine did this with his 64 GTO and the motor trans and rear end have been sitting around collecting dust for 20+ years. If you do sell the car then the next guy will have to tear the car apart if he wants the numbers matching motor in it. Sorry for the hi-jack but holding these cars with kid gloves is getting too expensive.
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
[Re: moparpollack]
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10/01/11 01:59 AM
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Would it really be worth is for a 340 duster? Restoring a car is expensive as it is already adding the cost of another motor just puts you deeper in the hole. I'm facing the same issue with my 383 roadrunner and I can't justify the expense. A buddy of mine did this with his 64 GTO and the motor trans and rear end have been sitting around collecting dust for 20+ years. If you do sell the car then the next guy will have to tear the car apart if he wants the numbers matching motor in it. Sorry for the hi-jack but holding these cars with kid gloves is getting too expensive.
Every owner has a unique set of personal budget and other circumstances that will vary their experiences owning cars and parts.
What does NOT vary is the VERY small number of remaining numbers matching 71 340 manual trans Dusters & Demons existing today, and the value difference between a non numbers matching vs a numbers matching example CERTAINLY outweighs the cost of a replacment short block 340 or 360.......In most cases many times over.
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Scott, yes I've taken lots of pics with my good camera. It clearly was sprayed upward from the bottom, although the latch tray support is a little confusing. My guess would be the core support, fender wells and lower pinch welds were painted at the same time.
Ok, cool. If in doubt take more pictures, pictures are cheap/free. Once that car is stripped the details will be gone forever. You won't have anything but those pictures to provide details, I can't emphasize it enough, the more the merrier.
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/01/11 02:37 AM
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Would it really be worth is for a 340 duster? Restoring a car is expensive as it is already adding the cost of another motor just puts you deeper in the hole. I'm facing the same issue with my 383 roadrunner and I can't justify the expense. A buddy of mine did this with his 64 GTO and the motor trans and rear end have been sitting around collecting dust for 20+ years. If you do sell the car then the next guy will have to tear the car apart if he wants the numbers matching motor in it. Sorry for the hi-jack but holding these cars with kid gloves is getting too expensive.
Every owner has a unique set of personal budget and other circumstances that will vary their experiences owning cars and parts.
What does NOT vary is the VERY small number of remaining numbers matching 71 340 manual trans Dusters & Demons existing today, and the value difference between a non numbers matching vs a numbers matching example CERTAINLY outweighs the cost of a replacment short block 340 or 360.......In most cases many times over.
So the price difference is roughly $3-3.5k plus the labor and time of having two engines X2? If you were to sell you still would have to lug around the short block or engine block. Unless you were running in the fast or pure stock races I can't see the need to build another engine.
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/01/11 10:34 AM
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I didn't asign a value difference in dollars because it's impossible to do, what i'm saying is that there WILL be a value difference and it will be substantial, and there will be an even bigger demand difference because there are many people looking for a numbers matching car that will not compromise and will pass entirely if one number doesn't match. The cost of a 340/360 shortbock assembly can vary between practically free and a few grand, a small price to pay to ensure and preserve a cars #'s status and pass on the gamble of running the original block. Yes, it's rare to break a stock block in a street application but it does happen, 340's are thin wall blocks and I've seen many of them crack just from hot or cold weather. IMO it's a no brainer decision, but to each his own.
But if you did have to assign a value it would have to be pretty big because of all the work involved. Building a car and not having the motor built and installed has to take away from the value. If you had to tear the car apart once it was painted and detailed to add the original motor wouldn't make sense. Additionally if you were going to do the car why not do the motor at the same time.
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
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10/01/11 11:55 AM
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Looking good!
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
[Re: moparpollack]
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10/02/11 04:31 PM
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Its finally at the media blaster!! I completely filled my camera's memory card getting any last details of overpsray, etc. It should be done in 2-3 weeks and will go straight to the painters. Feels like one hurtle is finally cleared. The debate above is why I'm undecided on what to do motor wise. Decisions, decisions... Time to clean up & organize the garage and get started on the sub assemblies. Ohh and get the honey do's done... 
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Re: 71 Duster 340 4spd resto, from ruster to duster!
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10/02/11 11:17 PM
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Thanks for the info Rhino, I didn't know that. I'm hoping to match the engine color the best I can. I was able to really get some good samples from the back of the pass side valve cover and the throttle cable bracket. I was also doing some 8 3/4 CSI and washing it with Dawn, a rag , and water in a spray bottle trying to find some of the factory graffit marks. I found several but lost the light for pics, will post tomorrow. 
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I am having to go with aftermarket forged pistons which are far more expensive than original style. I will be looking for good used or new stock style pistons at every swap meet for awhile... 
