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604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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My 604 Predator motor is almost ready to go on the dyno. We are supposed to fire it up Friday. I'll try to post a U-Tube video after the session. Parts are World hemi block, GRP rods, 55mm cam tunnel, cnc proted heads, custom Billet Fab pan, valve covers, Titan wet sump oiling, Jessel lifters and belt drive, Callies 4.75 crankshaft, Marcella sheet metal tunnel ram, and other nice parts that cost more than I should have spent. I am going to run it on 2 carb and a single for dyno test. Steve Gill is building this combo for 200+ runs until rebuild and reliable fast bracket and T/D racing. This will be the highest end project I have ever attempted, but if it works, it will be worth it. I am posting it for real world ET numbers, built by a real world 10.5 racer, but it is by no means an all out motor. There is room for more HP, no matter what it dynos.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/03/11 06:54 PM
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What is the compression? Good luck!!
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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In the few times that we have talked to Steve, it appears that you have made a great choice on having him on the build. As for some of the parts you chose  .....lol just kidding! It sounds like a very nice piece  Got any pics for us 
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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Sounds like a real nice piece. What's the target hp? I'm assuming 1200+. I'd be real interested to see what the difference will be between one and two carbs. Will the single be a custom made from Cubic or somebody? Also, are you going to pull the single with a lid change on the t/r or will it be a cast single manifold?
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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best part about it is it's trouble free. your dragster is going to fly with a predator motor in it. when we ck the valve setting it's dead on. i'm glad i bought my predator motor. it's not quite as big as yours but it gets the job done.
good luck with it.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/03/11 10:15 PM
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In the few times that we have talked to Steve, it appears that you have made a great choice on having him on the build. As for some of the parts you chose .....lol just kidding!
It sounds like a very nice piece
Got any pics for us
I think the next time I build a motor, I'll use one of your blocks if you have an aluminum peice, but perhaps even a steel block. I just like the fixable part of the aluminum and the weight savings.
I hope to make over 1200 with 2 carbs and Steve said he would let me give his a try, and it's a big one, that's all I know.
I am trying the single on the S/M tunnel ram, and 2 on the cast tunnel ram.
I'm glad to hear you like you Predator, and bought it from Steve because he seems very knowledgable on real race results, not just theoretical results. I should know more by the end of the day Friday.
The pics I have are too large to load, but I should have some later.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/04/11 08:30 AM
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Thanks for the support guys, but I haven't even dynoed this deal yet and I want another one for a spare. And my B1 and Yancer deal is so consistant, it saves me when I make mistakes. Al, I should have this combo at MATS next year, if I don't have to work. And it took a tight package to beat Dick in the semis in Woodburn. Then he wouldn't stop trying to line up against me, sheesh! Talk about holding a grudge.  I'll let you guys know when we get the numbers tomorrow, but I think I made the right choice. And Steve has been great to work with. If anyone here is thinking about a predator head package, or a whole motor purchase, he's the guy. He actually returns phione calls and works with a pain in the a$$ like me.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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In the few times that we have talked to Steve, it appears that you have made a great choice on having him on the build. As for some of the parts you chose .....lol just kidding!
It sounds like a very nice piece
Got any pics for us
I think the next time I build a motor, I'll use one of your blocks if you have an aluminum peice, but perhaps even a steel block. I just like the fixable part of the aluminum and the weight savings.
I hope to make over 1200 with 2 carbs and Steve said he would let me give his a try, and it's a big one, that's all I know.
I am trying the single on the S/M tunnel ram, and 2 on the cast tunnel ram.
I'm glad to hear you like you Predator, and bought it from Steve because he seems very knowledgable on real race results, not just theoretical results. I should know more by the end of the day Friday.
The pics I have are too large to load, but I should have some later.
Sounds great 
Can we expect to see you at the Monster Mopar Event???
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/04/11 12:10 PM
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Do you think you could hook us up with a Live Feed on the Dyno? If you need a Test driver for the 1st couple of passes in the dragster.  I would be happy to help you out. 
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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This will be interesting!
very much so. the dyno is just for breaking it in. in car numbers, and how many passes you get before a freshen up is what we want to know....good luck.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/05/11 01:03 AM
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the dyno is just for breaking it in. in car numbers, and how many passes you get before a freshen up is what we want to know....good luck.
I think a lot of us want to know about this part...
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/05/11 11:34 AM
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While we are waiting on the Dyno reports from that Big O'll Mopar engine.  Tease us with a little info. about the dragster it is going in if you have the time....hard-tail, 4-link,wheel-base,rear gear and tires. GOOD LUCK on the dyno pull's today!!!!
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/06/11 12:08 AM
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OK, we flogged on it all day and finally got it started around 6. The guys were supposed to leave at 5. We just fired it and ran it a little, and they didn't like the way it was running, but by that time it was 7. I told them to come back and run it Monday, get it figured out, and get some numbers then. I did get some video of it running, but don't know how to post it. What I was promised was that there would be a U-Tube video before it's done and I will give everybody here the link. I also have some pic's but need to re-size them and it's 11 right now, so I'll try that tomorrow, but it sounded real nasty to me. I'm thinking it's gonna make some serious steam. More on Monday and pics when I can get them re-sized.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/06/11 12:18 AM
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This is the way any project that will turn out WAY better than expected tends to go--So I would say that you are looking good. Keep positive 'cuz nothing else will help a damn bit. J.Rob
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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08/06/11 12:52 PM
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OK somebody needs to tell me how to post multipule pics on here. I also have a video, and would like to post that. If you can guide my antiquated mind through it, I'll post it when I get to the airport.
Multipule pics in the same post, is only possible if you have some where to host them, like a website server, there´s several places you can rent space, I have access to my company s space on a server.
Nice pics, and engine
Tom
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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Wow, surprised how long the runners are on that manifold  Compare to the manifold CFE made for my hemi...
I guess the fact that the hemi has a 9" deck has something to do with it and possibly the intended rpms for the different engines as well.  
WOW Wheres the Block???
Those heads are awesome
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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I think yours is the smarter way to go. Both will be reasonably close on hp, but yours will do it more reliably and for a lot more laps before needing the maintenance mine will need way earlier. I thought about having a billet block made as I won't be hot lapped where I will run it, but am too cheap to come off of the 10k for the block.  I can't wait to see what yours ends up doing on the pump both with the single and dual carbs. We're also putting together a 572" B1 engine with a Hogan s/m manifold, Fast XFI using two big Wilson throttle bodies and two dry fogger stages in a Spitzer car to run T/D and quick 8's locally. Curious to see how that plays out as well. Anyways, got my fingers crossed for you on Monday and please keep us updated.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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I have a few more
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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I'm gonna build 2 of these if this works out. I'm getting sweaty palms just thinking about the possibilities. I didn't want them to push the envelope if they weren't comfortable with how it sounded and these guys are pros,all of them. I know you build a top notch motor too, Todd. I just wanted the guy that raced and perfected the design to be the one to build it. I'm impressed with their passion for power. I like the B1 program too and with 2 stages, it will be a monster. If I could have fit a bottle in my car, I might only be doing one Predator. If you guys are out again from Australia to MATS, please stop by and say hello. It's always good to see you folks. I like what I see though, and Steve has promised me a second set of heads with the smaller port design. If I get the power I'm looking for with this deal, I'm buying them and slowly acumulating parts for another predator, but a wedge 572. I should know more Monday or Tuesday.
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Re: 604 Predator motor on dyno Friday
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Looks & sounds good Tom!!!
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You will be very happy im sure 
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