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Help with NOS #1043330
07/30/11 05:25 PM
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If anybody can educate me on NOS or point me where the find out how the use it..
I never used it but the new car I bought has it hooked up and I want to try it.

The car is 65 Coronet 383, steel ported heads. Don't know the compression ratio, 727 w/ 10" converter, 4.10 posi. 29x9 hoosiers. The bottle is in the trunk and I took it out and weighted it. It weighs 20lbs. and there is gas in it. The dash gages also has a fuel pressure gage. the shifter has a nos button it, but I have not pressurized the system or tried it yet. I don't know how old the plugs are, The pis of the plug is after 6 runs I did on gas. The car ran 13.17 @ 103 last week in 90 degree heat.
I don't know what jets are in the holley. The plugs look very clean almost lean?
When should I hit the button? and do I hold it for the full run?
Let me know what I should do and any advise is much needed.
I would like to run the car tomorrow and maybe try the nos, if I can make it work.
Any help or advise is much appreciated!
Thanks!
Don

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Re: Help with NOS [Re: doncarson] #1043331
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You need to see what jet is on the fuel and nitrous side of the baseplate. Then check timing. You want a pressure gauge on your bottle and try to keep it about 850-900 psi for best results.

Re: Help with NOS [Re: 440charger500] #1043332
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Pull 2 degrees for every 50HP nitrous for starters and we really need to know the jets sizes in the plate to further help you


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Re: Help with NOS [Re: Leon441] #1043333
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Take the flare nut off where the fuel and nitrous lines go into the baseplate and pull the jets out. Read the numbers and DO NOT MIX THEM UP. This will determine the hp of the "shot".


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if that lower plate is not being used, it really needs to come off, the upper plate could quite possibly be spraying at the sides of the plenum, and you don't want that.

Re: Help with NOS [Re: SSDAcuda] #1043335
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I'm confused..
I took off the nos line at the flare nut and there was only one jet that I could see? It was cone shaped and the number on it was 78.
Am I missing something???

The Holley jets are #73.
What do I do next?
Thanks for all the help
Don

Re: Help with NOS [Re: doncarson] #1043336
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Take the fuel line off also. On the other side of the plate. That is your other jet.


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Re: Help with NOS [Re: doncarson] #1043337
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If anybody can educate me on NOS or point me where the find out how the use it..
I never used it but the new car I bought has it hooked up and I want to try it.

The car is 65 Coronet 383, steel ported heads. Don't know the compression ratio, 727 w/ 10" converter, 4.10 posi. 29x9 hoosiers. The bottle is in the trunk and I took it out and weighted it. It weighs 20lbs. and there is gas in it. The dash gages also has a fuel pressure gage. the shifter has a nos button it, but I have not pressurized the system or tried it yet. I don't know how old the plugs are, The pis of the plug is after 6 runs I did on gas. The car ran 13.17 @ 103 last week in 90 degree heat.
I don't know what jets are in the holley. The plugs look very clean almost lean?
When should I hit the button? and do I hold it for the full run?
Let me know what I should do and any advise is much needed.
I would like to run the car tomorrow and maybe try the nos, if I can make it work.
Any help or advise is much appreciated!
Thanks!
Don




1st. thing, like mentioned, you need to see what jets are in there, Plus take the extra plate off unless the spray bare are already out & its just open. See if it even has jets, it could be a fixed plate like a powershot 125.

I would advize installing a throttle switch for WOT activation, much safer this way, one of the worse things you can do is activate the N2o with too low RPM or low throttle opening from a button.

Never run the N2o during a burnout

Install a fresh set of plugs & tighten up the gap to .033"/.035"

Start off with a 125 shot, Don't remember the F/N jet sizes off hand.

Make "damn" sure the fuel supply is up for it, you can T off with a 125, but 150 & above i'd look into a dedicated fuel supply for the N2o.

If the plate hasen't been used in awhile, i'd pull it off & run carb cleaner through it to make sure the spray bars aren't stopped up.

Make sure the ignition & curve are good with no erratic behavier. I like running a good ignition system with an adj. dist. for the timing curve, thats just me though.

The thing with N2o is this, You want to get the car to run at its best, then run the N2o, Thats where you really benifit from the best gains, Basically meaning, don't have the engine running so-so & use the N2o to benifit the power.

It never hurts running alittle race gas mix 25% 110/ 75% Premium, But if the compression is low enough & you don't exceed 125, you should be good on pump premium, Your trying not to cause any detination, thats the key, You can get away with less octane, but you'll need to pull more timing & possibly run a colder plug & keep the Fuel jet higher, But the gains will be more if you have higher octane, then you can run quicker from more tune.

I hope some of this info helps, I love Nitrous, but i was a bit sceptable in the beginning, now i've learned what the does/don'ts are when running it, But as anything especially N2o, Its a 50/50 chance you take, don't let that scare you, you can lower that percentage by playing it safe & pay attention to your tune, plus read the plugs, I like NGKs, they are easy too read, plus "don't get greedy".

Definitly get a bottle pressure gauge, then theres no guessing were the bottle pressure is at.

For a 125 shot, pull 4* timing from your best NA tune.

Here are a few of the parts i mentioned.

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/41005/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/16500/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/NOS/741/13721/10002/-1 Jet kit for 100/125/150


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Re: Help with NOS [Re: SSDAcuda] #1043338
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Thanks SSDACUDA. I found the fuel line and jet. The fuel jet is a 81 and the NOS jet is a 73. The Holley carb lets are 73s.
The fuel system is a holley blue pump and holley regulator for the main fuel line. A second line directly from the pump goes stright to the fuel rail where the fuel NOS selonoid is connected, all braided lines.
What else do I need to know or do?
Thanks all for the help so far...
Don

Re: Help with NOS [Re: doncarson] #1043339
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put a #75 jet in the fuel side, more motors are hurt by having it way to rich on the fuel side than by having it slightly rich or equal jets on both sides Do you have extra jets for the plates, if not get some before playing with it. I'm not sure how much HP that #73 NOS is worth, anybody?I would probally try a smaller jet in both before stepping up to what you have now Way better to be safe than sorry later


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Re: Help with NOS [Re: Cab_Burge] #1043340
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Oh boy...

You have unregulated pressure to the fuel solenoid straight from a blue pump?

If so, you MUST put a regulator in the line. The plate is designed and jetted for certain fuel pressures. If it's designed and calibrated to run at 5 psi, set it at that rate.

My 2 cents... read the directions for the kit and when you get done... read them again. Note the tune up page and fuel pressure requirements for the system.

Also, if the fuel jet is bigger than the n2o jet it's a fat tune up in almost every case. Old NOS instruction had that type of tune up and the new ones have a revised jet package the plates which is squared up. Check with whoever makes the system.


Re: Help with NOS [Re: doncarson] #1043341
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Thanks SSDACUDA. I found the fuel line and jet. The fuel jet is a 81 and the NOS jet is a 73. The Holley carb lets are 73s.
The fuel system is a holley blue pump and holley regulator for the main fuel line. A second line directly from the pump goes stright to the fuel rail where the fuel NOS selonoid is connected, all braided lines.
What else do I need to know or do?
Thanks all for the help so far...
Don




A 73 jet is pretty high, I'd say around a 175 shot, your best bet is getting the jet kit i posted, If i remember, the 125 jets were 53N/61F, & definitly install a reg. for the fuel side & set it around 5.5 flowing through the plate in a bucket, then drop it back on.


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
Re: Help with NOS [Re: joedust451] #1043342
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Cmon Don,
I'm sure the previous owner had it dialed in..just push the button..just a little, maybe just a little in low. PUSH IT!! Cmon Don, DON! Just give it the juice!!
This ain't rocket science, well uh, not really, just blip it...see how that feels, calming at first, feel the power, now MORE!! C'mon...it's not addictive, I swear...just try it already!!

I'm bidding on 5 used bottles on EBAY...at the same time!! I've sprayed 2 stages the full length of the track, and I need more...but I'm sure you can control it really...


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Re: Help with NOS [Re: MoparBilly] #1043343
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Cmon Don,
I'm sure the previous owner had it dialed in..just push the button..just a little, maybe just a little in low. PUSH IT!! Cmon Don, DON! Just give it the juice!!
This ain't rocket science, well uh, not really, just blip it...see how that feels, calming at first, feel the power, now MORE!! C'mon...it's not addictive, I swear...just try it already!!

I'm bidding on 5 used bottles on EBAY...at the same time!! I've sprayed 2 stages the full length of the track, and I need more...but I'm sure you can control it really...


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Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: doncarson] #1043344
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O.K another question after looking further into what I have.

So I figured out the fuel system and want to know if this is correct.
1, Main line from fuel cell, through Aeromotive pump to Holley regulator, to Holley fuel rail.
Nos fuel pickup point is at the end of fuel rail, to the solenoid, to the carb.
On the fuel rail is ALSO a fitting that a return line goes from the rail back to the fuel cell.

Should there be a return line? How can the pump build pressure with a open return line going back to the cell?

With what I have now. Holly Pro series 850 w/ 73 jets, Nos has #78 nos jet and #81 fuel jet, should I stay with that or start out smaller and if so what do you recommend for jet set up?


Thanks for the all info and help so far, I now understand how the system works and what to look for.

I did order a nos pressure gauge and WOT switch.

The system is a Compucar setup.
Their website and installation directions are very minimal though.

Thanks again!
Don

Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: doncarson] #1043345
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O.K another question after looking further into what I have.

So I figured out the fuel system and want to know if this is correct.
1, Main line from fuel cell, through Aeromotive pump to Holley regulator, to Holley fuel rail.
Nos fuel pickup point is at the end of fuel rail, to the solenoid, to the carb.
On the fuel rail is ALSO a fitting that a return line goes from the rail back to the fuel cell.

Should there be a return line? How can the pump build pressure with a open return line going back to the cell?

With what I have now. Holly Pro series 850 w/ 73 jets, Nos has #78 nos jet and #81 fuel jet, should I stay with that or start out smaller and if so what do you recommend for jet set up?


Thanks for the all info and help so far, I now understand how the system works and what to look for.

I did order a nos pressure gauge and WOT switch.

The system is a Compucar setup.
Their website and installation directions are very minimal though.

Thanks again!
Don




Is there any fuel gauges anywhere, Its ok to have a return, this is what i would do at this point, Get a gauge mounted so you can check pressure, see where its at, You say it has a reg., The pump should be able to supply both, But i'd be checking it 1st., Don't know what to tell you on the Jets, 78 seems steep for a plate system, I ran 55N/61F for a 125 shot on my sniper kit, A 150 shot was a 63 jet, so that might be a 200 shot, I would'nt risk it, You'd be safer running a lower jet, I'd go with a 61 or 63 & like a 65 for the fuel side.

The holley pro series 850, you say it has 73 jets? That seems a bit lean, seems more like it should have 82 sqaure on a carb like that (with PVs) Stock holley 4781 850dp comes with 80 square & PVs F&R.


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: doncarson] #1043346
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From what I am reading, you would do yourself a favor by getting some local help by someone who runs NOS. As mentioned, this is not rocket science with the relatively simple set up you have, but your questions ( all good questions BTW) tell me that this is very new to you. The dircetions the manufacters supply are fair at best often.There are many " generalizations" being made here, and some of that info is now out dated. You will find out your set up is very easy to work with, but let someone help you that has some experience in it. They can check over your fuel supply and make sure the solenoids are working properly and get a much better tune than the directions give you. I am sure you can handle things fine, but you might as well get it right the first time. As Billy says, you'll be addicted, but do it right the first time and you'll keep your head gaskets happy....lol
You need a known fuel pressure and keep that bottle at 900#.

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Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1043347
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Thanks, Competitionwedge;
All good info and I will be looking for help at the track from experienced users. I do want to learn and understand the basics so I know what to ask and know when to ask for help and understand what they are talking about....
The plugs are very very light tan and it does look lean. The guy ran the car with a closed exhaust and mufflers and I I'm running just headers.
Yes, there is a fuel pressure gauge in the car. I believe it ran 5psi. I will check again.
As I said I'm ordering a pressure gauge, my question is HOW do I maintain the 900psi pressure? I see a lot of cars without heaters and in the midsummer with trunk tenp at 90degrees+ will I be OK?
Thanks,
Later.
Don

Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: doncarson] #1043348
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Reading the plugs is of no value UNLESS you make a full run, drop the car into neutral, shut it off and coast to the end, THEN read the plugs. You can only get an accurate reading after a full open pass.

The bottle pressure is a function of temperature and " fullness ( to some degree) of the bottle. You will see it drop, if all things are equal, as the pounds of nitrous goes down. At that point you may need to add heat to it to bring the pressure back up. that is why you se some bottle warmers, thermostatcially controlled blankets etc. At the level you'll be spraying, it isnt quite as critical, but it should be maintained to the best of your ablility.

Doing your homework and understanding what to ask is a good thing..


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Re: Help with NOS.. fuel pressure [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1043349
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I take back the comment about reading the instructions twice... those are horrid.

The instruction that come with an NOS system are better.

Might give you some better answers
http://www.holley.com/data/Products/Technical/A5051-1-SNOSrev.pdf

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