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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: abodyman]
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07/24/11 12:27 AM
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Basically, anytime anyone wants information, for no apparent reason, it makes everyone else wonder why? So any knowledge is better kept secret.
"Thanks" to all the crooked dealers, flippers, auctioneers, and so forth, for driving all the prices up, building clones, faking numbers etc...etc.... 
I would think just the opposite is true. The more people know the background or story of a certain high dollar car, the less chance for someone to pull something shady with it. Keeping knowledge secret hurts us all in the long run.
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: 6bblgt]
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07/10/12 01:02 PM
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The FF4 "light green metallic" N94 383 Challenger R/T is JS23N0B405351 - Y14 "SOLD" car
(D32, B51, C16, C92, G11, H51, J46, J55, J81, N94, M85, R11, R31, S77, S79, U82, V1F, W21, & W34 are its extra cost OPTIONS)
3266.00 + 1163.60 + the hood(~$150) = ~$4579.60 + destination charge
383 auto w/3.23 open, black interior, V6X & a few OPTIONS to the point of having a window sticker price near the HEMI cars.
I have the b'cast sheet - SPD 702 & VON 076823.
I purchased the car from Shafi Keisler in the mid-'90s thru an ad in Mopar Collectors Guide & have finally got it in a shop to begin its restoration.
Anyone have an "ordered" Challenger from the pacific northwest with a 076xxx VON?
Thanks for sharing Dan. Great to hear that the car is going to be restored soon!
Didn't you have a 71 barracuda pilot car being restored? Did it get done? How did it come out?
Tav
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: 6bblgt]
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12/15/12 10:16 PM
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Thanks Dan, Glad I bumped into ya on here. I'll give you a call this week and buy you lunch or a beer. --Jeff 
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: TX9 Hemi]
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11/02/13 03:18 PM
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I don't recall any TA hoods on the Hemi Challengers that were modified at Creative.We also worked on the TA hoods (several different designs) and the final design was not accepted until very late in the year (Nov-Dec?). Hood was designed in the Creative-Chry styling room at Creative.Any car that had one would have to be built very late and also would have been built with the factory Hemi-fender w/second tag to note that fact.No Creative modified cars had 2 tags.Last cars modified at Creative were March or April 1st,1970.This an interesting one.
When were the 340 TA cars available? Had to be sometime in early 1970.I am guessing they were held up for the hood as were the Hemi cars for the fender mods. 1st day for Hemi fender mods was Sept 28,1969 other than the first test shots.
Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: mike s]
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11/02/13 03:44 PM
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I don't recall any TA hoods on the Hemi Challengers that were modified at Creative.We also worked on the TA hoods (several different designs) and the final design was not accepted until very late in the year (Nov-Dec?). Hood was designed in the Creative-Chry styling room at Creative.Any car that had one would have to be built very late and also would have been built with the factory Hemi-fender w/second tag to note that fact.No Creative modified cars had 2 tags.Last cars modified at Creative were March or April 1st,1970.This an interesting one.
When were the 340 TA cars available? Had to be sometime in early 1970.I am guessing they were held up for the hood as were the Hemi cars for the fender mods. 1st day for Hemi fender mods was Sept 28,1969 other than the first test shots.
Did you work for creative? These N94 non T/As are a mystery. I guess N94 option it was available after 4/13/70 and not many people knew about My car's build date was 5/12/70, out of all the N94 non T/As it's the earliest build date. I have all the documentation too. The story goes it was bought by a guy that worked at a Seattle Dodge dealer and was ordered to be raced. Maybe since it was ordered by a guy working at the dealership, he had better knowledge of options then most people? Anyway it was ordered bare bones and had a full cage in it, never was acid dipped or tubbed thankfully! It only racked up 816 miles on the factory odometer before the pulled out everything to race. I been looking for more history on this car and previous owners, if anyone knows about or seen this car racing in Washington in the 70's I'd love to hear from you! Jim
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: TX9 Hemi]
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11/02/13 03:49 PM
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Yes,I worked at Creative.Your car should have the hemi fender tag and the factory modified (stamped instead of hand modified) fenders.No fender lip molding either.No Hemi-Challenger should have the moldings.
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: mike s]
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11/02/13 04:16 PM
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Yes,I worked at Creative.Your car should have the hemi fender tag and the factory modified (stamped instead of hand modified) fenders.No fender lip molding either.No Hemi-Challenger should have the moldings.
I didn't get the fenders with the car, they took them off years ago and put a one piece fiberglass frontend on it. However the inner fender just have screw holes for the trim tag no holes for second hemi fender tag.... I thought only hemi cudas had that tag not hemi challengers?
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: 6bblgt]
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11/02/13 11:09 PM
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Hi Dan....is there any black paint on the fender bolts area like on T/As?
Yes, original RH fender with black paint/tape line & antennae hole. (no 1/4 panel antennae like the paperwork mentions)
I'm building a 440 6Pack Challenger with a T/A hood clone, so this is information I've been trying to find for a while.
What about the blackout on the cowling, and the blackout on the quarters under the spoiler?
Same as T/A?
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AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: rftroy]
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11/02/13 11:44 PM
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the blackout on the quarters under the spoiler? Same as T/A?
Ducktail spoiler on T/A, but not available on any other Challengers, T/A hood or not.
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
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11/03/13 12:12 PM
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Ducktail spoiler on T/A, but not available on any other Challengers, T/A hood or not.
Oh, of course. Wasn't thinking.
That still leaves the question of the cowling treatment with J54.
Dan, From the pictures you posted in 2011 it's hard to tell if the cowling top is blacked out due to glare in the pictures.
Robert
AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, project.
[Re: 6bblgt]
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11/03/13 01:54 PM
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an additional N94 '70 Challenger was on eBay about a year ago  it's a Challenger SE! The EB5 "bright blue metallic" N94 Challenger SE (non-R/T) is JH29N0B440490 - Y16 "Sales Bank" car (E63, D21, D91, B41, B51, G11, G31, G33, J41, N94, R11, R31, S77, T34 & W11 are its extra cost OPTIONS & H5B5 is a $48.25 CREDIT OPTION) 3185.00 + 664.10 + the hood(~$150) = ~$3999.10 + destination charge 383 4bbl 4-spd w/3.23 s/g - blue cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior I have a copy of the b'cast sheet - SPD 730. (..... but appears to have been built before my 702 SPD car) The car was on ebay in 2012 & located in Michigan, it went to California. currently it is the ONLY "sales bank" N94 hood'd car & it has dual chrome mirrors ..... Oh it's a SE!!
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