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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: 73rrak]
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07/06/11 11:33 AM
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I had my Vette on a dyno with a K&N filter on it. My car was the last car on a Friday night and we got to talking about filters. The guy running the Dyno was putting the same year Vette together and had a new paper filter for his. We took my K&N filter out and put his paper filter in my car on the Dyno and I picked up 3HP. My K&N filter had maybe 10 miles on it from driving it to the Dyno place from my house.
Oiled too much and not enough run time on the K&N to draw out the excess filter oil.
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: A12]
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07/06/11 12:36 PM
07/06/11 12:36 PM
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I don't think running a K&N will necessarily hurt a typical musclecar which is usually driven in optimal conditions, on pavement and seldom gets a ton of miles.... OTOH, any performance increase is negligeable unless your filter is way too small AND it comes at the price of poor filtration. Over on the diesel website I spent alot of time on; www.turbodieselregister.com they tested the paper panel filter on a CTD truck vs. a K&N replacement and there was no horsepower difference at all on a 450hp truck.....plus the K&N's oil got everywhere and gummed up the turbo blades and MAP sensor. After that, I got rid of my K&N and went back to the stock filter. The diesel guys pushing big power have now gone with something they call a BHAF (Big Honking Air Filter) which is basically a large cylindrical paper filter originally used on a large diesel tractor truck. Mike, I understand where you're coming from; as you well know, we use oiled foam filters on our dirt bikes which are used in the dustiest conditions anyone could possibly imagine, but I personally would avoid the K&N's on anything automotive.  Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: A12]
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07/06/11 01:14 PM
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Really? So if I don't use a paper filter I'm only going to get half the life out of my engine.......I think I need to tell the guys in R&D that we need to go back to paper filters like we had before 1973. The only good thing about paper filters IMO is like Mr.Yuck stated "open the box and throw one in, throw the old one away.
If you throw away enough paper filters, how many does it take to equal the cost of a K&N filter that's reuseable?
MikeR
Good idea! Because the K&N is dated 1960s technology.
1973 paper = better
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: DPelletier]
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07/06/11 01:20 PM
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I don't think running a K&N will necessarily hurt a typical musclecar which is usually driven in optimal conditions, on pavement and seldom gets a ton of miles....
Used Oil Analysis doesn't lie. More times than not, silicon levels are elevated with the use of a K&N.
Silicon in motor oil = dirt ingestion
I mean really! Why chance premature engine wear for maybe 3 horsepower on a dyno?
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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07/06/11 03:35 PM
07/06/11 03:35 PM
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Really? So if I don't use a paper filter I'm only going to get half the life out of my engine.......I think I need to tell the guys in R&D that we need to go back to paper filters like we had before 1973. The only good thing about paper filters IMO is like Mr.Yuck stated "open the box and throw one in, throw the old one away.
If you throw away enough paper filters, how many does it take to equal the cost of a K&N filter that's reuseable?
MikeR
Can we see your R&D paperwork?
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/air-filter-filtration-test/
Top Secret   besides just BS-ing and  I don't have a clue about air filters/dirt/longevity/reliability or performance, just like having spitting contests 
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: A12]
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07/06/11 10:38 PM
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K&N flow better than a paper filter for the same reason no filter flows better than a K&N.
They also bear the exact same relationship to filtration.
K&N = hype
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: Supercuda]
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07/06/11 11:34 PM
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wow, i really opened a can 'o worms! lol i actually got one of those new amsoil paper filters for my Challenger cause i wanted the most flow with the superiority of paper filtration. i am willing to compromise a little power for piece of mind cause i plan on having that car for a long time. i just didnt know with the road runner's round filter if there was any major advantage to a high performance flow filter like the K&N. i think i will stick to the basic paper element in that too. thanks guys! 
73 Road Runner
09 Challenger R/T
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: bigdaddywiz]
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07/07/11 02:02 AM
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wow, i really opened a can 'o worms! lol
i actually got one of those new amsoil paper filters for my Challenger cause i wanted the most flow with the superiority of paper filtration. i am willing to compromise a little power for piece of mind cause i plan on having that car for a long time. i just didnt know with the road runner's round filter if there was any major advantage to a high performance flow filter like the K&N. i think i will stick to the basic paper element in that too.
thanks guys!
Now you're talking, the Amsoil EaA air filter with nanofiber licensing rights from Donaldson.
Unfortunately, at the moment, the EaA air filter is not available for all my applications in which case I use good old paper.
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Re: K&N worth it over a Purolator
[Re: bigdaddywiz]
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07/07/11 05:50 PM
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Thought about using this type of filter; the EaA dry cell nanofiber cleanable filter for the Road Runner:
EaAR Racing Filters - link
But, I want to keep the factory un-silenced air cleaner so I'm staying with a good paper, at least for now.
wow! i didnt realize i could get on of the Eaa filters in the circular fit. what size would i need for one of the classic orange air cleaners with the "340 4 Barrel" stickers on it?
At the moment, the EaA round racing filter is only available in 14" inch diameters and 2"-3"-4"-5"-6" heights.
There are a few other OE replacement type round air filters. If you get me your filter O.D., I.D, and height, I can see if it crosses to one of those.
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