Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: DPelletier]
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06/21/11 11:58 AM
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http://www.arengineering.com/articles/sonicbig.html....15 lbs difference between a 383 and 440 shortblock. basically, you might find a 440 that is 30 lbs heavier than a particular 383 and you might also find one that is almost identical in weight......certainly a negligeable difference in any case and one that is more than offset by the difference in displacement. A change to headers or an aluminum intake is more significant than the difference in the block weights. Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
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2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
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Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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06/21/11 06:49 PM
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so how exactly would you build a streetable 440 that runs on pump gas that would rip up the streets?
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Re: 383 VS 440
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06/21/11 07:14 PM
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There is no replacement. For displacement. 440.
Not knocking displacement at all!! It's your choice. 440's do make great power, but they aren't the cure all for EVERY build or budget. If that was the case, 383's, 413's, 426W's and 361's (yes, there are a gathering of them too!) would be sold for scrap at premium prices. 400's being the renowned platform for the "stroker crowd", I give a warm reception for it. Great all-around motor, just needs a GOOD set of heads on it and then you can continue to build from there. I'm not beating up on 440's at all, I just care for a challenge and the non-popular motors are MY challenges. A 500+ inch six pack motor would make me , but a 390 inch (383-based) dual quad, hi-rpm screamer stuffed in a 3200 or lighter A body, "stripped" B-E body or even in an AMC Hornet, Pacer or Gremlin, would be just as exciting to hear as to see lay down a run!
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Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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06/22/11 12:01 AM
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really? four four tee. $ for $ in will stomp any BB mopar. (that includes Hemis)
Wasn't it a little too early for you to be
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Re: 383 VS 440
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06/22/11 09:06 AM
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Nice +.030/.040/.060 440 with aluminum heads (Edelbrock) CNC ported if you can afford it!! Edelbrock 440 RPM Performer intake, 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 headers (maybe 2 " depending on where the build goes), 10.5 to 1 (9 to one with iron heads) 750 vac or DP holley (900 or 1000 if build goes bigger hp)will work quite nicely and a 240/248 @ .050 ish cam advanced a bit extra and a 3000 stall 4000 if you pass 250/258 @ .050. Easy to make 475 to 575 and good torque!! But and a big "BUT" by the time you turn' polish and balance your crank, rebuild or better after market rods, new pistons, rings, bearings a stoker hit will give you 493 to 512 cubes for the same price no hassle. "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR CUBIC IN DISPLACEMENT" Then up the cam to 250/258 ish @ .050 or 260/268 for more as bigger motors need bigger cams. and your easy hp goes to an 550 to 650 with much more torque at the same time!!!
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Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/22/11 09:51 AM
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really? four four tee. $ for $ in will stomp any BB mopar. (that includes Hemis)
Wasn't it a little too early for you to be
really? go price a hemi and get back with me. For the cost of the valve train alone I can build a nice 440. Didn't say a wedge is a better engine, just that for the same amount of money..say 5k you can build a 440 that will run, nd for 5k you might have 1/2 of your hemi.
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Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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06/22/11 10:20 AM
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There is no replacement. For displacement. 440.
Not knocking displacement at all!! It's your choice. 440's do make great power, but they aren't the cure all for EVERY build or budget. If that was the case, 383's, 413's, 426W's and 361's (yes, there are a gathering of them too!) would be sold for scrap at premium prices. 400's being the renowned platform for the "stroker crowd", I give a warm reception for it. Great all-around motor, just needs a GOOD set of heads on it and then you can continue to build from there. I'm not beating up on 440's at all, I just care for a challenge and the non-popular motors are MY challenges. A 500+ inch six pack motor would make me , but a 390 inch (383-based) dual quad, hi-rpm screamer stuffed in a 3200 or lighter A body, "stripped" B-E body or even in an AMC Hornet, Pacer or Gremlin, would be just as exciting to hear as to see lay down a run!
Good points. I ran a 130mph trap speed with my 383 in a cuda, which is a bit more interesting than if it had been a 440. I gotta confess though, I didn't set out to build it, it came up as a good deal. my 500" stuff is sitting in the corner.
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Re: 383 VS 440
[Re: dennismopar73]
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06/22/11 12:38 PM
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How much for the 383?
shoot cant be worth much now!! they just said a 440 can out run it!! i dono , got about 750$ in the block 1100$ in heads, el-cheapo cam 300$ so throw it away ,hahah lol, i'am so scared to bring it out now ,with all them there 440 s going to beat me up
It's ok, you can calm down; nobody said that 383's can't run strong or make over 500hp. What I (and others) DID say is that if you built a 440 the EXACT same way, it WIll make more power.....it's not an opinion, it's simple physics.....not that hard to figure out really.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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