Like the idea of racing for something all 3 days .
What I don't like that the box ,no box race in the final together .
I think the 2 nobox racers going 7 rounds then race a box car in the final is a let down ,sure it could happen .
Also as mention their was usually more nobox cars than box and that means more cash if you leave the claas's seperate .
Make it interesting if you win Sat in your class then win Sunday a bonus ,maybe some sponsor would take that challenge and odds of a racer winning both days through maybe 14 rounds . Like a half court basketball shot .
I've raced 1 qtr mile track so far this year ,guess i'll be waiting till Sept 25 weekend .
Don

i dont understand anyones worry about box and no box cars running on another. bottom bulb racers that do it all the time are as deadly on the tree, if not more deadly than any delay box racer. there is zero advantage in my opinion.

and if I split the race into (2) races it would just be a gamblers race.... Its not a gamblers race, its a box no box shootout....

You gotta make it TO the final before ya need to worry about those nasty old box cars.

Does any one remember when Nick Bowman won the box gamblers at norwalk a couple of years ago? In his street driven (I think), deep staged duster!
Oh Yeah, I run a box too. I went out in the quarters.

I think Josh is doing fine just stepping up for this challenge in this economy. That said, I hope I can put some means together so I can go.

Hey Josh, Can we stay at the track? Do they have showers? Thanks

Beep

You can stay at the track and they do have showers.

Josh....I really wish ya the best of luck! You are putting your butt on the line so this event takes off! I hope you have a big turn out!!

thanks tboomer. I appreciate you noticing.

It will get there I'm sure

A lot of people want to compare it to how it "used" to be in st louis, but they seem to forget that what is being planned for this year is the alternative to not having the monster mopar event at all.

It was an extremely successful event their, and I hope that it grows to be bigger and better, it will just take a little time before I stick my neck out any further.

Josh,
You bought the Monster Mopar Weekend show, race program, rights to use the name, and so and so forth. MMW was a proven brand specific race. If you wanted to start small, and not stick your richard out on the line you should have done it like SS Promotions did it, start off small, come up with your own name and not paid for the rights to MMW. Monster Mopar Weekend started as Monster Mopar Sunday as a one day race with a much smaller payout and entry fee. You are asking the racers to show up and pay the entry fee for a weekend format race and a payout of a one day race. I will show up for Sunday only. How much entry for Sunday only? Should be about $75.00.

The format as you have it planned, is not the Monster Mopar Weekend that us racers showed up to Gateway International Raceway for and made it successful for SS Promotions

On the original topic of this thread, box---no-box combo races suck, especially when there will more than likely be more no-box cars than box cars. I race both and the box car will win that race 90 times out of 100. You are advertising 200 cars and $8000 winner.

So you are expecting a good car count. 100 cars in each class at $125 entry is $12500 per class and you think $3000 winner payout and around $5000 total payout per class is fair? You must have your eyes on a new Italian sports car. The sat. race should be a no additional cost race for all race classes there except Q32. Q32 should be $10000 to win because 7.99 and faster cars are not worth bringing out for $5000. And yes us racers do want more chances at winning money, and a box-no-box combo is a poor way to give us racers another chance at winning money, but a good way for you to put a gigantic dollar amount in your ads to sucker people to your race.

Brand specific races need out of town racers to show up or failure is probable. There has to be a reasonable pay-out to entry fee ratio or most out of town racers will stay close to home and race at their local dragstrip.



I was one of the first guys to get on the ones saying they wouldn't go to MMW at Indy because it's too far and gas costs this much and hotels cost this much. I was thinking the only thing different about MMW this year would be the location. Man was I wrong. Those guys saying gas and hotels would make it not worth while were right.

Again I look forward to MMW as much or more than anyone else. And yes the economy is in the toilet right now. But that is no reason to change the format. Maybe have the payouts vary to reflect the amount of entrys. Example 100 cars in Pro would have the same winners pay, [$4000] as the old MMW and only 52 cars reduce pay by 48% which would be $2080 to win instead of $4000, and sat. would be $2000 with 100 cars and $1040 with 52 cars. Fighting your way through 100 tough racers for a $125 entry and only $3000 to win and the promoter takes a $7500 profit is not at all fair. Promoters are supposed to make their money off of spectators, t-shirts, sponsored advertisements, beer, soda, hot dogs and so-on. With out the racers the promoters have no show! Promoters have many ways to get paid, and racers have to win to get paid.

Fighting your way through 100 tough racers for a $125 entry and only $3000 to win and the promoter takes a $7500 profit is not at all fair.

HMMMM,
Track rantal fees and insurance surely are not cheap.Anybody that thinks Josh is putting an event on to make money off of racers,must not know him at all.
Josh is a Mopar fan,racer,and all around good guy. He wants to put on a nice program and make as many people happy as he can,and you want to bust his balls for it?
Give me a break. There are a lot of things most guys don't think about that need to be done to put an event on.
Keep up th good work Josh,I might just have to struggle to get two cars ready now.
Keith

Josh keep up the good work,we will be there!!

Your taking it wrong. I want this to be a success as well. Low pay and high entry fees will cause out of town racers not to show. there is not enough local mopars to make it work. Track rental and insurance is not as high as you might think. If spectators show up and there is not very many cars they will not be back. If MMW was the same as allways, I had planned on bringing 3 cars. I think he should have no worries keeping it very similar as he bought the rights to a well proven brand specific race and show program. It was second to none inc. Brand X race/shows in my opinion. One of the most successful races for the promoter is ADRL and they let the spectators in for free. Just $20 a car for parking. When you get in free it's easy to spend money on t-shirts, beer, soda, pretzels etc. and that's where the high profit is.

And I do not know Josh but I am happy that he has the means to take this task on and wish him well. I have only replied to this topic as he is asking us pay for an extra race on Sat. that should be included in the $125 entry fee and allways has been at MMW

Heaven Forbid someone make a profit by sticking his neck out for the rest of us. I mean no disrespect to anyone but come on... I for 1 don't care to see fords and chevys run and generally only go to mopar only events. This sport for the most of us is strickly for enjoyment, if you win some money in the prcoess that's just a bonus. Josh, keep up the good work and I thank you for what you are trying to do.

Rod

Now wait a minute Dan....Italian sports car, come on man.

Have you ever seen a successful Mopar event at this track in Indianapolis? I havent, now granted maybe it was the wrong time or the wrong show, but that alone is something to think about

Dan, track rental and insurance for this race is upwards of 50,000 dollars....you want to do some quick math for me on that bud. Sponsors range from 3,500 to 500...go ahead and take a guess at what that totals.

Take a quick 32 class that the sponsor has never once in the history of the race covered even the winners purse...... theres another check to write..... Now as far as what these guys ill race for, I have personally or thru someone else contacted every mopar quick car that i can think of and even the guys from chicago are happy with a 5k payday.

tee shirts, yep your right there is some profit there....if spectators come and buy them....and I dont buy 2000 and only sell 1,000 then its another break even deal.



The track doesnt allow you to make a penny on concessions..... add lights, tents, trophys, employees, hotels for judges, and everything else and your lucky to break even the first year.

I also didnt raise entry fees. It is the same as last year, i did lower the super pro and pro by 1k.

Now as far as the saturday race, I truly though that a guy would gladly spend an extra 40 dollars to race for an additional 6k to 8k, or way more if the cars sign up and show up.

Dan, I bought a name to a show you are correct, but i was going to start with a small show at indy anyway as I wanted to have a place for mopar fans to go since gateway closed and I attend other mopar races where guys pay 70-90 dollars to race for 1000, or 1,200, or even less.

If this year is a success, next year payouts will go back up,, probably higher than st louis, and I will do that year after year, as long as I can pay the bills, but you have to let me get through my first year doing a show/dragrace this big with no experience at it and no historical data of the event taking place in Indianapolis.

I want this to become a Mopar Dragrace of truly Monstrous proportion that the whole country wants to attend, but man, cut me some slack on my first year.

IF I were going I would have to lay out $125 for entry
$40 more to race Saturday and $40 more for the 10.0
if I got it correct, so I'm at $205 entry fees

thats right mr p. With the chance to win, 3k for your class, 1k for 10.0, 6-8k for the saturday race.

So $205 in entry for a chance to win 10-12k

The local track here charges $50.00 for an entry to race in no box. Most guys that lose first round buy back for $20.00. On an very busy weekend the payout is in the $1000.00 range.

The payout to entry ratio looks a lot better at Monster Mopar to me,but maybe my math is not very good?
Keith

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Track rental and insurance is not as high as you might think.

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In your opinion, how much would it cost to rent IRP for three days?

Dennis

You say that the box car will not meet the no box can until the final.. maybe I'm missing something,, but,, do you mean the NO BOX car will race against the BOX car for the final ??? it seems to me that there's an UNFAIR advantage.. am I missing something???

Nosboy, explain to be how there is an advantage for anyone in this race? Does taht box really create an advantage or is it just an easier way to bracket race?