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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Randy..] #1013228
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Some people has mention adjustable... It can be a problem. That little Dakota truck I had I went with Ladder bars.
Ladder Bars can be pretty violent. It can be a problem to adjust down..up rather to tame the hit down.
I say 4 link. Yea its a little harder to adjust, heck anyone can get ladder bars to hook...
But the 4 link really enables one to infinite adjustment.
I guess some times 3 holes isnt enough.. And with a weird mid engine application, 4 link is a Non Brain'r.

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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013229
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I vote 4 link.

As said above, it's not a "usual" combination and you have no idea, you just MIGHT NEED the adjustability. Better to have it IMO...


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013230
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Eric; I'd go 4-link and not look back. I was running leafs, caltracks and the Rancho adjustable shocks on the truck and just couldn't make it work. I built a triangulated 4-link and made 2 adjustments after initial install. One great help was Billy Shope's "Just Suspensions" DVD. Dave

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013231
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Some times the space that you can play within dictates
what suspension you can run... a 4 link takes less
fore and aft distance BUT needs more vertical space
where a ladder bar needs more for and aft but less
vertical... on my Rampage I went with a ladder bar
because of cost... I could have fit a 4-link in but
I believe a anti roll bar is needed with a 4-link so
thats added cost.... is a 4 link better... yes(and I
have had both set ups on the same car)....this is JMO

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1013232
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THX guyz ....

Let me add something in here that MIGHT put the dampers on the 4 link ... a short driveshaft.

Just from eye-balling-it .... I might be dealing with a DS of something around 2.5 feet long. IF there is huge vertical movement ... with a short DS ..... will there not be severe U-joint issues ?

I do have the option of a short-shaft 727 .... but I would LIKE to be able to use a long-shaft.

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013233
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THX guyz ....

Let me add something in here that MIGHT put the dampers on the 4 link ... a short driveshaft.

Just from eye-balling-it .... I might be dealing with a DS of something around 2.5 feet long. IF there is huge vertical movement ... with a short DS ..... will there not be severe U-joint issues ?

I do have the option of a short-shaft 727 .... but I would LIKE to be able to use a long-shaft.




I use a 38" DS on the P-Body with no issues... the
DS on my Rampage will be about the same

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1013234
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What kind of vert movement is needed? ...less than with leafs ?

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013235
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What kind of vert movement is needed? ...less than with leafs ?




Alot of the shocks will have about 6" of total travel
so as a round figure its 3" both ways from curb height

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013236
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Quote:

..... in a door car(a very uNusual door-car indeed ) ... space might be a prob(very short rear overhang) uNless the springs were shortened on the back half.

What would be the EZiest to do(for the chassis guy) ... and the cheapest as far as parts ?



Nothin cheap about either 4 bar or ladder set ups
4 bar runs 500 and up
ladders are 250 up,
then depends on shocks you use,
nothin easy about either one set up take awhile and very hard to do at the track for any novice guy with out knowlege and use of the product because so much has to be taken into account, shock setting evoke pinnion angle set bar hieght, evokes shocks it not as easy as any on here say, despite most guys do not even touch their bars ,
or very few who do ,
question always must asked is it the car? , track? tires?
i know of several 4 bar cars that have not had bars reset in 10 years yet hook great and 60 dont change enough to warrent any ,
know of a guy who bought 4 bar car due to bad track , took the car to 2 diffrent chassie guys, had all the bars changed because they said the bars where to old and that was the reason the car wouldnt hook.
by the time everyone got done with the car, he was out of money and was sick of the car it sets to this day,
my car has ladder bars, coil overs, they where cheap ,@ 850$

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dennismopar73] #1013237
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know of a guy who bought 4 bar car due to bad track , took the car to 2 diffrent chassie guys, had all the bars changed because they said the bars where to old and that was the reason the car wouldnt hook.
by the time everyone got done with the car, he was out of money and was sick of the car it sets to this day,
my car has ladder bars, coil overs, they where cheap ,@ 850$





I think this guy got taken for a ride, and not in a good way. Just because someone ripped him off is not a reason to dismiss the four link. It's just not that complicated, simple geometry. And I think your prices are off, do a little research, a four link back half is pretty much the same price as a ladder bar except for the rod ends.

But whatever, I'd rather have CalTracs than a ladder bar, at least they have some adjustment in them. You all can do what you like.


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Guitar Jones] #1013238
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In the mud the 4 link trucks always out run the ladder bar rigs given the same gearing, tires and hp, A lot of tracks divide the 4 links and ladder bars into different classes.

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: emarine01] #1013239
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if I were to start a new project, I would definately go with a 4 link this time, I have had leaf springs under the car, then leaf's with floater's and ladderbars, then coilover's with ladderbars, each time was an upgrade for me, I have noticed that ladderbars are more violent in the initial launch, which on a marginal track can cause issues off the line,but most of the guy's that run 4 link systems seem to have less launch issues once the bars are set correctly,, I just think that 4 links will work in a broader range of track conditions before adjustments are needed. jmo


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