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Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... #1013208
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..... in a door car(a very uNusual door-car indeed ) ... space might be a prob(very short rear overhang) uNless the springs were shortened on the back half.

What would be the EZiest to do(for the chassis guy) ... and the cheapest as far as parts ?

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013209
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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013210
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..... in a door car(a very uNusual door-car indeed ) ... space might be a prob(very short rear overhang) uNless the springs were shortened on the back half.

What would be the EZiest to do(for the chassis guy) ... and the cheapest as far as parts ?


I don't know about easyest part but I think four link is the best way


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Cab_Burge] #1013211
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Honestly, I think the intended HP should be the final decider, but I love ladder bars for the ease of maintenance, adjustments, and just simplicity. We have started racing a 4-link car, I have to say, I do not have the knowledge at this time to get it set-up correctly. To say there are more adjustments, is an understatement.

Ultimitly, tire size and hp for your combination will be the factors. The four link will hook a small tire car with a lot of hp better than a ladder bar set-up, but a good ladder bar set-up can be really good as well.

If there is room for leafs, Caltracs and mono's are the way to go...


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: go green] #1013212
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I see nothing wrong with it.

I always suggest to go 4 link. Reason being is why not just spend the couple hundred extra one time, then you have a suspension for life. Future power upgrades (and you know there will be some, don't kid yourself) are now not a worry because you will have the suspension to handle it.

Leafs and CalTracs? Only if you have to keep the leaf spring or just won't ever cut the car up.


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: go green] #1013213
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I think go-green has been sniffing tooo many of those NITRO fumes he burns in that 'Cuda !

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013214
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depends on what you are looking for, a bracket car ladders are fine. Dave Morgan told me when he spent a few days at my house the ideal rear suspension would have the longest ladder bars he could get under a car. if I were building a super class car it absolutely would have a 4 link. just depends on what you want and what you have in mind. ladders are simple and easy and they work.

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"Dave Morgan told me , when he spent a few days at my house...."
OKAY,,let's hear ALL ABOUT the 'visitation',,,sounds 'gay' to me...

Hope you all got the 'angle' right..!! I'm SORRY,,just couldn't help myself,,,

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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: CHAPPER] #1013216
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"Dave Morgan told me , when he spent a few days at my house...."
OKAY,,let's hear ALL ABOUT the 'visitation',,,sounds 'gay' to me...

Hope you all got the 'angle' right..!! I'm SORRY,,just couldn't help myself,,,


thats because you are gay and think gay

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Quicktree] #1013217
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We do just as many ladder bar cars as we do 4 link cars.Either work well,just a lot more ajustability with the 4 link and like a CM cage,resale will bring you more.I would always recommend a 4 link on a full chassis car.And Dave Morgen says the only time a leaf spring should be on a race car is if the class required it.

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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: B G Racing] #1013218
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....should it have been mentioned that this is my mid-engined Caravan project ?

There is not a lot of area for the rear half of the spring in there ...


Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013219
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you said scratch

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013220
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....should it have been mentioned that this is my mid-engined Caravan project ?

There is not a lot of area for the rear half of the spring in there ...





Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Quicktree] #1013221
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....should it have been mentioned that this is my mid-engined Caravan project ?

There is not a lot of area for the rear half of the spring in there ...









I've heard fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life...but it's worked out OK for me.


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Quicktree] #1013222
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....should it have been mentioned that this is my mid-engined Caravan project ?

There is not a lot of area for the rear half of the spring in there ...










... the rear-half of a STD or even typical SS spring.

What are the typical costs of a 4 link kit that will be STREETED .... how about the spring-and shock combo?

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dOc !] #1013223
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No more STD's please! Wear a helmet.

As for springs and shocks the price is the same if it's a ladder bar or four link. It's the rod ends that drive the price up. I suggest buying the best ones you can though. Springs and shocks you can cheap out on if its a street car and upgrade later if you want to get serious.


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Guitar Jones] #1013224
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my first would be , sure go min of ladder bars, best option of 4 bar,
then i think of all the money that had to be spend , and rethink it ,,
LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! MAKE THE CAR AS LITE AS STREET CAR COULD BE ,10"/11" TIRE 451 STROKE ON E 85 391=410 GEAR.
HAVE FUN ON SHOESTRING FAST RIDE!!

Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: dennismopar73] #1013225
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4 link, 300 adjustments and you will use about 3 of them, i would go ladder bar.

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4 link, 300 adjustments and you will use about 3 of them, i would go ladder bar.




Maybe but those three adjustments will still work better than the one out of three you'll use on a ladder car.

Many here seem to make a big deal about adjusting a 4 link, it's not that hard and it's not rocket surgery either. Jeez, you own a race car, did you build it, work on it or do you just write a check and drive it? You guys make it out to be quantum physics or something.


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Re: Starting-from-scratch ....leafs, ladder or 4 link .... [Re: Guitar Jones] #1013227
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i had and built a 4 link 69 valiant, put a Chassis Eng setup in it, can't/won't pay anyone to do what i can do myself, 4 links have there place, the OP asked WWYD? i gave my opinion, and unless you get to race at 40 different tracks<most guys don't> where you NEED more adjustments a ladder bar setup will do great and won't get you in trouble, lot's of small tire cars with a LB in the 7's.

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