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LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Anyone sell or know of a good online site that sell the LED equivalent to our most popular OEM filament bulbs? I'm looking to replace the original filaments with LED's. Apparently they operate brighter and cooler? I'm restoring my complete instrument cluster on the Daytona and wish to upgrade along with other locations like the center console, dome light and possibly the running/brake lights. The later only if I don't get that multi-point light source look.
Types I'm more interested in:
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Thanks in advance.
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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If you do stop and turn signals you'll need to add resistors or replace the flasher with one that works with LED's
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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If you do stop and turn signals you'll need to add resistors or replace the flasher with one that works with LED's
Heard this was the flasher you're speaking of?
Bussmann NO.232 20 Amp Round Heavy-Duty Electronic Flasher
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I've tried to replace incandescents with LED's many times with little success...mostly on motorcycles (for the obvious benefits of less power, brighter light and longer bulb life) but I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't work very well. the short answer is that the LED's are aimed in one direction and the incandescent bulbs are omnidirectional. light fixtures and housings that were designed for incandenscents don't work properly with LED's. The only retrofit stuff that seems to work at all are panels made for a specific application that fit into the old light housings. The replacement 1156 etc. led's were garbage....got a drawer full of them.  Dave
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I've tried to replace incandescents with LED's many times with little success...mostly on motorcycles (for the obvious benefits of less power, brighter light and longer bulb life) but I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't work very well.
the short answer is that the LED's are aimed in one direction and the incandescent bulbs are omnidirectional. light fixtures and housings that were designed for incandenscents don't work properly with LED's. The only retrofit stuff that seems to work at all are panels made for a specific application that fit into the old light housings. The replacement 1156 etc. led's were garbage....got a drawer full of them.
Dave
I was gearing more so to the dash lights... Being that they are confined to a closed area with light being back-scattered, I would think they would do the same job.
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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06/09/11 03:12 PM
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Take a look at this thread: http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=209884I did the exact same thing to my instrument panel. It's an amazing difference! Cheap too. Best of all, the lights still dim like the stock stuff did. I plan on converting some exterior lights to LED. If you do that you MUST get LEDs the same color as the lens. Be sure you get LEDs with a wide lighting angle. My LEDs came from superbrightleds.com.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Don't waste your time on the LED replacements for your tail light housings. I did and it was a waste of cash. The "36" LEDs they advertise aren't as bright. I went ahead and did my drivers side with White PCBs and it looks pretty good. I have two 36 LED flat arrays in each slot on my Charger. They are the 1157 replacements, use three wires to achieve the Hi-Lo you want for Brake/Turn. I had to change the system to an electronic Flasher. OI havent done the Passenger side yet but the left bank has 216 LEDs pointing at the driver behind you. Since there was a shadow to the left and right of the arrays I have since upgraded and made use of the 36 Red LED Bayonets that didn't work bright enough in the first place. I now have those in front of the PCB arrays and they fill up the rest of the slot with the red glow. So really between PCBs and the Bayonets...I have 324 LEDs on the drivers side. I have a video on Youtube showing my car with them installed, the period of time between stepping on the brake and the lighting of the brake lights is almost 1/2 second apart. I swapped over my license plate light, my reverse lights to hyper white, my front turn signals to Amber, I also hanged over my dash lights to an LED and the cluster looks like a baby blue. The LEDs on the cluster have one on each side and one facing on the tip. (5 LEDs total) I like it....but you can't dim them. I put them on bright and leave it there anyways. Have to find the bulbs for my hood turn signals, the console courtesy lights, the dome light, trunk light, and map light...but everything else works just fine... I dunno how to do the full screen on YT but here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rz7NTJtL2o
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Did just about all of them on the RR, most on the Toyota Supra (86.5 MY), and a few on the wife's Acura Vigor, none on the Durango.
Experimented with a lot of different vendors, mostly on eBay and Superbrightleds.com. Lots of different styles of replacement "bulbs".
The ones that work best have at least one - usually 3 or so - set of radially aimed LED elements. For better dispersion within the lens housing and to reduce the 'points of light' effect. The bulbs work best when the socket has them aiming directly forward or rearward, with lots of radial light for dispersion within the housing. Hopefully, the reflector in the housing is in good shape.
They'll work acceptably when the bulb axis is aimed straight to one side or other (as in the Toyota), or vertically, AND the reflector behind it is good shape, AND the bulb has lots of radial elements. Hence in the Toyota, they're only in brake lights, front turn signals, and side markers in the Toyota, but not in the rear turn signals or front parking lights.
They'll work poorly when the bulb is aimed at some goofy angle or other. Hence in the Acura, they're only in front side markers (the previous 194 bulbs seem like they failed at a rate of 1 a month, so for that reason alone the LEDs are an improvement) and front turn signals.
One last thing about the 1157 or 1156 replacements is about size. Typically the 'glass' portion of an incandescent bulb is conical as it nears the base. Many LED replacements have the "bulb" portion cylindrical in shape. If your car has deep sockets for bulbs, some LED replacements may not fit, as the LED array will hit the lens housing or socket housing before the bulb bottoms in the socket. I had that happen with a few vendors' products. IIRC, superbrightleds products fit with a smidgeon of room to spare.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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06/09/11 05:39 PM
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Pyper, I why won't your dash lights dim?
I put LEDs in my 92 D250 and they dim like a normal bulb.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Take a look at this thread: http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=209884
I did the exact same thing to my instrument panel. It's an amazing difference! Cheap too. Best of all, the lights still dim like the stock stuff did.
I plan on converting some exterior lights to LED. If you do that you MUST get LEDs the same color as the lens. Be sure you get LEDs with a wide lighting angle.
My LEDs came from superbrightleds.com.
Good thread feets.... 
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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i played the led game....once.... spent something like $100 for tail light bulbs, put them in...had the flasher problem, then noticed that they intermittently worked, because the contacts on the bulb are oblong and don't really contact the socket correctly...then i waited until night time...all i could say is  looked like crap, did'nt fill the housing with proper light, just looked wrong on the car...took them back to the store, returned them and never looked back...after i got a refund i thought what was i thinking? spending $100 on led bulbs....it dawned on me that it was a 50-lifetimes worth of bulbs!!! it was a total waste of time, the outcome was not worth it, and for that $ and aggravation i can't be bothered, plus to top it all off they look horrible in the housings...
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Here's a lengthy discussion on that topic... http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54734.0.html Troy - I love them in my Daytona - you may have noticed them in my car at T'Ga in '09. I used the ledtronics.com taillights and superbrightleds.com for the dash lights. The added benefit of LED tailights is they come on much faster when you apply the brake, alerting the person behind you that much sooner. As a test I put them in one side and turned on the 4 ways flasher, the LED's had come on and shut off before the regular bulbs had come on. FWIW - I used the superbrightleds.com tailights in my Durango and Sebring but I think they could be better.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I have some drop in "194's" I got off Ebay that worked pretty good in my dash (74 Duster) Price was dirt cheap too. The only thing I note is the LED's pick up the blue tint of the factory coloring on the inside of the cluster. When I have some free time I was going to experiment with a spare cluster with either white or silver paint. With 194's the cluster was too dim, higher wattage bulbs were great but the headlamp switch got burning hot. http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-SUPER-WHITE-T10-7...=item3cb8d6fc0eI also tried the bulbs with a single lens, they don't seem to work as well as these.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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These are the ones I used in my dash. I wanted these because you want to throw the light around the cluster to illuminate everything. Having 5 LEDs pointing at the driver will cause the focal beam to be very direct instead of a broad dispersal. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2pcs-HID-...sQ5fAccessories
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I am wanting to change the clearance lights on my dually with LED's. @ $12 a pop!
Less amperage on the already weak electrical system in my '93.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I have the cylindrical type LED's on the rear of my '68 B'cuda, and they work great, look great. I think the key is having a small tail light. The lense is about the size of a deck of cards, and the LED light completely fills the lense. Older mopars with round or small tail lights should benefit, where the large tail light assemblies are more difficult to get the right look.
I could not get LED's to work on the front signals on the same car. I suspect it may be something to do with the hood mounted signal indicators also in that circuit that are still incandecent.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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The problem with the turn signals is that they're wired in series. LEDs have a fixed positive and negative terminal. You can't run them positive to negative like the turn signals in out older cars.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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The problem with the turn signals is that they're wired in series. LEDs have a fixed positive and negative terminal. You can't run them positive to negative like the turn signals in out older cars.
just an FYI to anyone replacing the stock flasher for one that's compatible with LED's. If the signals don't flash, reverse the wires that connect to the flasher. That solved my issue when I put LED's on the rear of my charger. I think the reason is what Feets said above.
I also had temporarily put LED's in the front of the same car and they worked fine with the hood mounted turn signals still having stock bulbs. You can mix them and if you're doing just front or just rear, you should get away with the stock flasher...I did.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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Anyone sell or know of a good online site that sell the LED equivalent to our most popular OEM filament bulbs? I'm looking to replace the original filaments with LED's.mini led light bars Apparently they operate brighter and cooler? flexible led strip lighting I'm restoring my complete instrument cluster on the Daytona and wish to upgrade along with other locations like the center console, dome light and possibly the running/brake lights.led outdoor lighting fixtures The later only if I don't get that multi-point light source look.
Types I'm more interested in:
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console courtesy light (89?)
Thanks in advance.
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Re: LED equivalents for our filament bulbs
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I just got my WLED-RHP6-AC in red from www.superbrightleds.com for my 81 shorty. These are dimmable with your normal dimmer switch and they are 360 lights. I going to use them in the speedo and gauge receptacles. Im also going to line the housing with reflective tape. Theres a good post with pics on RCC about them.
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