Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: JohnRR]
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In my A833 (23spline) I run 80-90W gear oil that says it works well in extreme pressure and hypoid type of rear ends. It also says it works well in manual transmission and differentials.
There is usually difficulty in shifting from 2nd to 3rd gear fairly consistently...and it seems to occur more often when the car gets warmed up.
The trans is in my 70 Charger RT with 512RB engine with a new Hurst competition plus shifter kit. Could this problem be caused by the type of fluid?
Or is there another thing that could be causing the problem
If it's GL5 that is your problem.
Is there a such thing as GL4 extreme pressure lube? I am using cheap house brand oil, so im hoping that even though its extreme pressure its still maybe GL4...I hope will using the GL5 actually deteriorate the synchros?
Took me forever to fill the darn thing too
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: MoparKansas]
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If you can't find it local I have Penn 80/90 GL4. Syncromesh will work fine, but is more prone to leaking. Dan
Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: JohnRR]
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GL5 will not deteriorate the syncros , you may have gear clash ... aka shifting issues ... since you love to cheap out on stuff , run it and tell us how it works .
thats it, I just LOVE to cheap out on stuff
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: 64dodge572]
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If you can't find it local I have Penn 80/90 GL4. Syncromesh will work fine, but is more prone to leaking. Dan
Just picked up some Delco synchromesh to replace to the GL5 gear oil that i put in....why is it that it is more prone to leaking? im assuming because its thinner? Everything at the parts store is GL5 for gear oil, so i got the synchromesh instead
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: mshred]
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Thinner when its hot. The same goes for engine or rear. Also the reason newer engines have much tighter bearing clearance. Dan
Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: Blakcharger440]
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06/02/11 05:39 PM
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I used to drive my 65 year round.Even in 10 below it shifted fine with gear oil.It had gear oil from the factory and was sold in Ohio as were a few others I worked on and owned.None had problems.Rocky
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: A990]
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06/02/11 06:56 PM
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What Frank Adkins says, be sure to get a GL-4 rated manual transmission fluid which is not the same as a GL-5 rated differential fluid. Also, one can compare the operational viscosities of the various commonly available lubes. Notice how the ATF and Synchormesh are close in terms of thickness... PENNZOIL MULTI-VEHICLE ATF: Viscosity 33.82 @ 104(F) PENNZOIL SYNCHROMESH FLUID: Viscosity 41.60 @ 104(F) Now notice how the 75W-90 GL-4 is over twice the thickness... PENNZOIL SYNTHETIC SAE 75W-90 GL-4: Viscosity 108.00 @ 104(F) I'd go with a good 75W-90 GL-4
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/05/11 11:51 PM
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In my A833 (23spline) I run 80-90W gear oil that says it works well in extreme pressure and hypoid type of rear ends. It also says it works well in manual transmission and differentials.
There is usually difficulty in shifting from 2nd to 3rd gear fairly consistently...and it seems to occur more often when the car gets warmed up.
The trans is in my 70 Charger RT with 512RB engine with a new Hurst competition plus shifter kit. Could this problem be caused by the type of fluid?
Or is there another thing that could be causing the problem
If it's GL5 that is your problem.
Well I simply did not know that I was running something that was not compatible with the type of gear setup in my trans.
But...yep it says SAE 80W-90 GL-5,GL-4,GL-3 on the bottle. The trans shifts like butter except from 2nd to 3rd when the trans starts to get warmer the longer I am cruising.
I thought that I was doing a good thing buy running the thicker 80w-90....but I guess all 80W-90 is not created equal.
I am gonna dump that stuff and get some other gear oil in there.
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: Blakcharger440]
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But...yep it says SAE 80W-90 GL-5,GL-4,GL-3 on the bottle. The trans shifts like butter except from 2nd to 3rd when the trans starts to get warmer the longer I am cruising.
I don't know enough about oils to know if it's possible to rate an oil like that , if it has the stuff for GL5 in there can it really be 4 and 3 compatible ?
Put a thinner oil in it , heck put ATF in , it must be ok since I read it on the internet ...
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: JohnRR]
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But...yep it says SAE 80W-90 GL-5,GL-4,GL-3 on the bottle. The trans shifts like butter except from 2nd to 3rd when the trans starts to get warmer the longer I am cruising.
I don't know enough about oils to know if it's possible to rate an oil like that , if it has the stuff for GL5 in there can it really be 4 and 3 compatible ?
Put a thinner oil in it , heck put ATF in , it must be ok since I read it on the internet ...
Nahh..I am gonna stay away from the internet ATF. I will call Jamie at Passon and get some of his stuff.
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: DJVCuda]
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06/06/11 10:46 PM
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ATF has never been a problem -
The only other lube I'd recommend is the one Jamie Passon makes on his own, as I am sure he has a well developed product.
GOOD MOVE!
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Re: ATF4 in A833, good? bad? ugly?
[Re: rbkt65]
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06/07/11 06:17 AM
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back in 1970/71 mopar put out memo that was directed to owners in cold weather states saying if stick trannys shifted hard in xx degrees and colder,drop gear oil and put in atf.thought that a bit odd but reports back from cws was "thanks can shift the sob now"
It states that in the service manual picture I posted (more or less)
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