I had a hard time getting the ones off my dart when they were on the car due to the funky angle they sit at when unsupported. The socket kept trying to roll off and I could see myself loosing some skin eventually. I pulled them off the car and slid a steel rod through the ends and then clamped the rod in a vice so the ball joint was more parallel to the ground. One came out with the breaker bar and the other needed the impact gun.