That 03 killed the first set before 15,000. The second set lasted to about 30,000, at which point the backs needed replacing. Sold that pig at 40,000 needing brakes again. The brakes I don't mind, they're cheap enough. It's the other stuff and the way the dealer and corporate treated me over other dilemas with that van. We loved the first one we had, the second one was such a clunker I will never buy another one.