Thanks guys. I have received a couple pics but oddly enough not one straight down into the top of the heads. I've asked for it but hasn't come over yet. If he avoids that view perhaps there's a reason. They're reasonably priced, but if they're more trouble to correct or make solid enough to be dependable I won't bother. If I can get a look at them or more pics I'll post up. Appreciate the help! As I recall the winters marks I've seen are a snowflake with a "w" in the center is that correct?