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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: hugo] #2627954
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IMO a 540 seems to me to be the best low deck combo going. Bang for the buck and nothing "exotic" needing to be used. I have done everything from a 470" to a 572" low deck. From Indy heads to B1MC stuff. 900 is a fairly lofty goal for most -1 combos and likely will not come cheaply. Buy the BEST parts you can afford and you will not regret it.


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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: AndyF] #2628148
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I want to make as much power as I can with my indy 440-1 hand ported heads. They flow 356 at 700 and around 370 at 800. I know I wont make what you guys with B-1 Mc are making. But I want to build a good foundation and make a strong reliable bracket engine. My goal is to make 900hp with my heads. I can always upgrade my heads later. I don't have the budget for new heads right now. I already had a 499 ci and will be reusing my heads and pushrods, lifter. My car is a 69 road runner that weighs 2947 with the 499 ready to race with me in it. Chassis is ladder bar in the back and struts in the front. The suspension can take the 900 hp goal.


My 514 race engine made 900 hp with ported EZ heads and a single 4bbl. That engine spent a lot of time on the dyno to get there, but once we figured it out the recipe wasn't hard to follow. You should be able to do it with -1 heads if they have good ports. You'll need a ported intake, a big Dominator, lots of compression and a big cam. I think you'll need Jesel rocker arms to hit 900 hp and if it was me I'd use a Jesel belt drive and a belt drive distributor since those things just make it easier to work on the engine.

If it was me I'd go with 4.500 bore size and a 4.250 crank. That gives you 540 inches and it should go together really easy. Lots of vendors for the parts and good rings are available at that bore size. Shoot for 15:1 compression if you want to make 900 hp and run X16 gas.

Send the heads to Porter Racing so they can go thru them and advise you on the port work. They can also set you up with the right cam and valve train for 900 hp. Only intake that will work on a low deck is the Indy 400-3. It isn't a great intake out of the box so ship it to Wilson or to Fast Lane. Figure on $1000 for the port work but you'll need it to hit 900 hp.

Good luck and make sure you have about $20K in your check book before you start.

I already have a ported 400 intake. Mi Indy heads do have TD’s one shaft per cylinder.

Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: Al_Alguire] #2628149
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What was your set up for 572 low deck Al?

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Hugo, lots of guys like the 540, and they have good reason. It is about as big as you can go with a low deck and have a reasonable piston pin height, piston skirt still up in the bore to keep the piston stable. A local racer ran a 540 b1mc about 20 years ago, and made over 1000 reliable hp. And i think the reliability is what you will find out is the difference. Trust me, go for reliability. I didn't and spend way more time working on my motor than racing.
If it were my motor, i would go 540, B1Mc ported heads, and a cam custom ground with the intent of giving away the last possible 20 to 30 hp in favor of a cam that is VERYeasy on parts. You will probably be running this deal to almost 8,000 rpm, so plan for it to make it live.

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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: hugo] #2628290
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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: gregsdart] #2628458
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Originally Posted By gregsdart
Hugo, lots of guys like the 540, and they have good reason. It is about as big as you can go with a low deck and have a reasonable piston pin height, piston skirt still up in the bore to keep the piston stable. A local racer ran a 540 b1mc about 20 years ago, and made over 1000 reliable hp. And i think the reliability is what you will find out is the difference. Trust me, go for reliability. I didn't and spend way more time working on my motor than racing.
If it were my motor, i would go 540, B1Mc ported heads, and a cam custom ground with the intent of giving away the last possible 20 to 30 hp in favor of a cam that is VERYeasy on parts. You will probably be running this deal to almost 8,000 rpm, so plan for it to make it live.

Thanks Greg but for now I’ll stay with my 440-1 in the future I’ll see if I can upgrade. Ido want reliability and maybe keep my rpms to around 7500or 7600.

Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: hugo] #2628490
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I'd be surprised if you needed to turn it 7500 rpm. Peak power with -1 heads on a 540 with a 400-3 intake is probably in the 7000 range. Get the engine on the dyno and you'll know where the peak is. Knowing where the peak is will help you when it comes time for gears and converter.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
I'd be surprised if you needed to turn it 7500 rpm. Peak power with -1 heads on a 540 with a 400-3 intake is probably in the 7000 range. Get the engine on the dyno and you'll know where the peak is. Knowing where the peak is will help you when it comes time for gears and converter.

What other intake can I use Andy? I have the Indy 400 intake for 4150 with a spacer for 4500. Is there another choice?
That’s what I have been using in my 499 and I shift at 6600 and go through the traps at 7350 in excellent weather. The 499 made max hp at 6400 but with a small roller cam 269 273. 696 lift. Headers were also small on the dyno.

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If you are trying to hit 900 hp then I think you would need to start with a 400-3 rather than the 400-2 intake. Get a ported 400-3 and then dyno test them both. Keep the best one and sell the other one.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
If you are trying to hit 900 hp then I think you would need to start with a 400-3 rather than the 400-2 intake. Get a ported 400-3 and then dyno test them both. Keep the best one and sell the other one.


No love for the 440-3x?


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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: hugo] #2628587
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Originally Posted By hugo
Originally Posted By gregsdart
Hugo, lots of guys like the 540, and they have good reason. It is about as big as you can go with a low deck and have a reasonable piston pin height, piston skirt still up in the bore to keep the piston stable. A local racer ran a 540 b1mc about 20 years ago, and made over 1000 reliable hp. And i think the reliability is what you will find out is the difference. Trust me, go for reliability. I didn't and spend way more time working on my motor than racing.
If it were my motor, i would go 540, B1Mc ported heads, and a cam custom ground with the intent of giving away the last possible 20 to 30 hp in favor of a cam that is VERYeasy on parts. You will probably be running this deal to almost 8,000 rpm, so plan for it to make it live.

Thanks Greg but for now I’ll stay with my 440-1 in the future I’ll see if I can upgrade. Ido want reliability and maybe keep my rpms to around 7500or 7600.
To give you an idea of what your deal may run,
My combo is 528 cubes, 440-1ported heads, 3x intake (may not be the best-its big!) T erminater and Alky, 15/1 compression, 285/296/114 cam with .850 lift intake, .800 exhaust. Best ET at 3055 lbs is 8.76 at 153 mph, shifting at 74500 and 7350, trap 7400.


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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: gregsdart] #2628682
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Originally Posted By gregsdart
Originally Posted By AndyF
If you are trying to hit 900 hp then I think you would need to start with a 400-3 rather than the 400-2 intake. Get a ported 400-3 and then dyno test them both. Keep the best one and sell the other one.


No love for the 440-3x?


OP has a low deck engine.

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Re: Bought a low deck aftermarket block how big can you go [Re: hugo] #2630108
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Hugo, as a bench mark ; My best ET with 440-1 heads on a 528 is shifting at 7450. On the 1-2, 7350 2-3. As read off my data logger. My shifter is set for 7250, so when you pull the shifter it goes another 200 to 150 rpm. I doubt twelve more cubes would change that much. This is with a custom ground cam designed for the most hp.


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