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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: CMcAllister] #2467105
03/15/18 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
Normally the stock vents don't leak, but I never say never. I've never had one leak at the rear and I've taken brakes out and put regular manual units in without plugging it. I wouldn't put a vent in the rear with a governor still in it. BUT If the guys who do it all day, everyday say not to move it, they have a reason and I'm not going to argue with them.
what seems to be the reasoning for not putting the vent in the rear of the case?, for years it was the accepted practice to do just that and now it's appears to be taboo, I have always put the vent in the rear of the case and plugged the front one.


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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: dartman366] #2467111
03/15/18 10:26 PM
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But you did that with a brake, I never put it
the rear if NOT using a brake
wave

Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2467114
03/15/18 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
But you did that with a brake, I never put it
the rear if NOT using a brake
wave
I thought they ment in any combination, maybe I mis undestood. wave


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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2467123
03/15/18 10:48 PM
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I don't know why it went out of fashion. They're saying Cope and Tranzact don't want it done. I don't know the reason. All I know is I've done it for years on units with a brake from Griner and Protrans with no issues. Perhaps they stopped with putting the small hole in the high drum which I understand is the main reason for moving it. I'd like to hear from one of them for a clarification.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: CMcAllister] #2467127
03/15/18 11:00 PM
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I know in the (Carl Monrow) 727 book it says to
move it and I did
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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2467139
03/15/18 11:32 PM
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My last trans was built by A&A. It was the only trans I had with the vent moved to the rear, and the only trans I had that leaked from a vent. I ended up running a nylon tube up to the dipstick to prevent the leak from oiling down the car on a heavy pass. Hardened shafts-so no governor. Just didn't work for my combo. The tube solved the problem so I guess it turned out fine in the end.
I could see how a drilled drum would cause an issue with the pump located vent. Maybe they vent the drum differently now so relocation isn't needed?


"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: CMcAllister] #2467166
03/16/18 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
I don't know why it went out of fashion. They're saying Cope and Tranzact don't want it done. I don't know the reason. All I know is I've done it for years on units with a brake from Griner and Protrans with no issues. Perhaps they stopped with putting the small hole in the high drum which I understand is the main reason for moving it. I'd like to hear from one of them for a clarification.

I am not running a brake. When I posted my original response a brake was not mentioned by OP.

Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2467225
03/16/18 07:32 AM
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I've had mine apart 2 times for inspection in the last 3 years. Now has 350 passes in a 9.0 car without a brake. Vent is in the back. It is in the suggested location. Tube to a catch can at the rear bumper. Catch can has never leaked or been emptied. Both times the inside of the bell housing has been completely dry. It hasn't had the pump seal replaced since originally built.
Doug

Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: TRENDZ] #2467298
03/16/18 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted By TRENDZ
My advice is to be cautious of drilling the case close to the sealing surface. Then be even more careful tightening the tapered pipe fitting with the hole so close to the case edge/ sealing surface.


pipe threads will wedge the surrounding material with the fitting, and there is a recommended wall thickness surrounding the fitting for different materials, but i don't know where my chart for that is. if you have one side of the surrounding material much closer to the edge of the hole [think of a very offset hole], the wedge effect will concentrate on the "thin" side more than the "thick" side, promoting a crack to form. also, most seem to have a tendency to crank on pipe threads so they don't leak.
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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2467311
03/16/18 01:12 PM
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The vent doesn't have to be threaded, I have one that I think came with my brake that is push in.

Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2467368
03/16/18 03:37 PM
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I don't drill and tap. If I did, I would use 1/16NPT. I use these.



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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: CMcAllister] #2467528
03/16/18 10:15 PM
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I run one of Cope's transbrake valve bodys and don't honestly remember John telling me to NOT put the vent in the rear, when I put the new billet steel high gear drum in I drilled the piston which pushes the fluid toward the rear,, with that said I have not had a issue from the rear vent.


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Re: 727 trans vent relocation [Re: crash520] #2932704
06/13/21 06:58 AM
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You can also use other materials to ensure that the alloy material is essential in this case. I once put a panel for myself and made a mistake with the materials. So it did not last a year, as it broke and began to rattle. So now I constantly look at what is where. To then know what is better to take products for yourself and your loved ones. Recently, there was a question about the air conditioner and its choice of truth. Who not to ask everyone complains about something? I even started to think about not taking it at all.

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