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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: gregsdart] #2439860
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Originally Posted By gregsdart
Thanks for the input, guys. I like what i see in the "ladder frame" adition that goes all the way to the axle and maybe beyond. I will feel good with that setup. As far as tongue wieght, i can vary that a lot to almost nothing by moving the car and things around, so that won't be an issue.
I will be traveling from Florida to Minnesota April 1st, so if there is a welding and hitch shop along the way, we could get it done enroute. Recomendations?


Not sure I understand this right or not, but get this done before traveling and not on route. Speed reading through this though.

Get it done along the way = Time wasted on trip????

Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: 340Cuda] #2439866
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Originally Posted By 340Cuda
While the Trailer Toad will take care of the tongue weight you might still want to beef up the back of the frame to keep it from racking with side loads.

I think it would be easier to get everything setup correctly now than to repair damage later.

Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2439867
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
The problem with most any puller coach is built on a medium duty chassis and there is very little support at the rear for towing ANYTHING. They basically have enough material to support the body of the coach on. If it were me I would want to substantially reinforce the rear frame of the coach to tow a racecar trailer myself. There is a lot of overhang that is very lightly supported on the back of a class A puller. A trailer toad will help for sure, but even then I would want the rear frame area reinforced.

Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: gregsdart] #2439870
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Along the way? Why would you think of something like that? If anything does start to come undone with the frame separating / bending out of shape it will cost you a lot more on the road. There must be a welder / fabricator in your area that knows how to reinforce frames. Check with the RV places to see if they can recommend someone. I know in my small town there's a custom trailer builder that does that type of reinforcements on hitches and frames.


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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: gregsdart] #2439901
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I am not towing the trailer on that trip in April, nor will i tow more than a small car. Just looking for the best shop that will do the job, and the trip allows me a very large area to pick from. There is one shop that has been around forever within 30 miles of home if I don't find a good option along the way.


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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: rowin4] #2439909
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Originally Posted By rowin4
As stated above in the diagram, the rear portion of the frame is bolted to the plywood , maybe OSB floor. Are you going to trust a couple of bolts going through maybe 3/4" wood to keep your car and trailer attached?


The frame extension is not held together by the plywood. It is attached to the frame by a large plate that overlaps both frames. Bolted and welded together. Have you ever looked at the frame extensions on a class A motorhome?? Some are the same size and well built, some are not!!

I looked at a few diesel pusher class A motorhomes before I bought my gas powered Class A motorhome. 2 of the diesel motorhomes were a joke, where the extension frame was mounted. The chassis frame was about 10" or 12" in height. Then the extension frame was only 5" or 6", and about 10' long. There was no way that that was strong enough for towing heavy load.

My motorhome has the same size extension frame as the chassis frame, and is only about 3' or 4' long.


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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: Dartsport540] #2439949
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Originally Posted By Dartsport540
Originally Posted By rowin4
As stated above in the diagram, the rear portion of the frame is bolted to the plywood , maybe OSB floor. Are you going to trust a couple of bolts going through maybe 3/4" wood to keep your car and trailer attached?


The frame extension is not held together by the plywood. It is attached to the frame by a large plate that overlaps both frames. Bolted and welded together. Have you ever looked at the frame extensions on a class A motorhome?? Some are the same size and well built, some are not!!

I looked at a few diesel pusher class A motorhomes before I bought my gas powered Class A motorhome. 2 of the diesel motorhomes were a joke, where the extension frame was mounted. The chassis frame was about 10" or 12" in height. Then the extension frame was only 5" or 6", and about 10' long. There was no way that that was strong enough for towing heavy load.

My motorhome has the same size extension frame as the chassis frame, and is only about 3' or 4' long.



That is the same thing we saw with the pushers we looked at. We ended up looking for a 30ft and found a 32 to keep from having the extensions at all.

Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: 66coronet] #2440008
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All good info. I pull my 28' enclosed all around with Ole Rusty, I mean ole trusty. Hoping to get another 2 years our of my 2500 V10 Ram. I have been looking at newer dually 3500 Rams but for the price of them I am thinking a diesel pusher would be a better investment. The entire Family can also use it for camping if I am not using it for racing.


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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2440470
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I am not 100% sure if they do hitch work, but they do everything else and could recommend a shop in Minnesota or Wisconsin that can handle it. Jim is a Mopar guy and has a restoration shop as well. up

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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: gregsdart] #2441894
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Originally Posted By gregsdart
We just bought a 2015 Itasca 37f, Ford v10 f53 chassis rated at 28,000 gcwr. Trouble is, the coach came with a frame extension that is smaller than the original nine inch channel frame of the chassis. My trailer is a 28 ft Edge, about 10,000 loaded. Towing this trailer is limited to 115 miles to either t rack i race at, and we don't get out more than three or four times a year. Looking for input on what to do to make sure i don't damage this coach.


Well, not that you will listen anyway, but:

I'm 31' with my Gulfstream F53 V10 and it's 18,300 empty. You are probably around 22,000, so you can only go another 6,000 at the most. I know in my Gulfstream literature mine has the same 5500 pound hitch as the 34 and 37 foot models

You will be over-loaded.

No ifs, ands, buts, or bigger hitch about it. There's a reason why your Coach put that big sticker in your back closet. These RV's get crashed all the time so Enforcement do know to pull you over if they see that humongous trailer on there and check your weights.

You know what it costs to have a Class A and enclosed car hauler towed back to your house? Do you know what the fine is in your State?

I don't like it anymore than you do (I'd like to pull an enclosed too). If you find a legal way around it, I'd like you to let me know. I DO have a way around it on mine, but it won't work on yours. Otherwise, this is it for an F53: 5400 pounds:


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Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: gregsdart] #2443109
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Lots of problems are also due to being captain lead foot towing.

We have 3 class A motor homes. All of them are 45 foot tags, and they all do fine towing whatever we put behind them, though some trailers do less moving around with equalizer hitches.

Another real problem, that i have bad experience with is the shock loads transferred to the trailer from long overhang class A's. These shocks when you're driving too fast over whatever the road has to offer will tear he tongue off the trailer. The bus suspension doesn't care about what the trailer needs in the way of softening the tongue hits when the chassis hits bumps.

I was pulling a heavy steel stacker in one with a 600hp cummins through virgina at about 85 mph over the hills, and across the bridges. some of the transitions from bridge to road were ROUGH. I'd hauled this thing all over for years. Then snap! the hitch on the trailer broke in two. Next the stack is sideways on the freeway with the emergency brakes starting to work, that sent it onto 3 wheels and down the hill into a bank where the new cadillac CTS V was fired a quarter out the front of the trailer.

Moral is, take it easy lol.

If someone wants to post pics of it I have them on photobucket, but I'm not allowed to post pics (too cheap to pay them.)

Re: Motorhome hitch upgrade needed? [Re: dthemi] #2443291
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[quote=dthemi]Lots of problems are also due to being captain lead foot towing.

Exactly. I feel a lot better towing 55 to 62 mph . braking distance is greatly reduced, stress on the coach and trailer is way down, and almost always there is a lot of room between me and the next vehicle.


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