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#2383903 - 10/08/17 12:47 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: Magnum]
Just-a-dart Offline
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Originally Posted By Magnum
A few things to consider. If this is for the street I vote for 4 link or leafs due to the one fact. Ladders do not allow for any articulation.
This is very hard on the car.

As for 3 inch exhaust out to the bumper. It's a challenge with all 3 set ups. Inboard leafs have 3 inch less room to the gas tank, than original and the bar set up needs a panhard bar.


I run with 3" exhaust to the bumber in my 69 Dart with mini tubs and a 11 x 29" slick, Caltraks and mono leafs. I would suggest you look a cars you like and barrow ideas from them. I used TTI tailpipes and modified them a little



Edited by Just-a-dart (10/08/17 04:30 PM)
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#2383914 - 10/08/17 01:15 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: fourgearsavoy]
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What are you looking to do? Big tire, biggest tire? You can only get a certain size tire under the wheel well with the spring into the frame , a mini tub will help some. Are you up to a back half? If so , 4 link is the way to go.
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#2383934 - 10/08/17 01:50 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: DrCharles]
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Originally Posted By DrCharles
How did it handle on the street compared to the SS springs? work


I prefer the ladder bars to the SS springs for driving around. I think having good shocks/dampers had the most to do with it and not the ladder bars.

Like a lot of bracket guys I had given hardly any thought to shocks

On my street car I run a split mono spring moved inboard.

If you want a good street/strip car with full exhaust Calverts set up is what you should do.

It will be the easiest for exhaust routing and is capable of handling lots of power, plenty of guys go fast on them.
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#2383970 - 10/08/17 02:53 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: Saskabusa]
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Originally Posted By Saskabusa
Originally Posted By DrCharles
How did it handle on the street compared to the SS springs? work


I prefer the ladder bars to the SS springs for driving around. I think having good shocks/dampers had the most to do with it and not the ladder bars.

Like a lot of bracket guys I had given hardly any thought to shocks

On my street car I run a split mono spring moved inboard.

If you want a good street/strip car with full exhaust Calverts set up is what you should do.

It will be the easiest for exhaust routing and is capable of handling lots of power, plenty of guys go fast on them.


Yes plenty of guys do go fast on CalTracs...until the track starts going away. Ask me how I know. My 4 link will hook in a car wash, can't say the same for the CalTracs
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#2384172 - 10/08/17 08:59 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 101
Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
I went with ladder bars on my Rampage.. the
race car has a 4 link.. they both hook very
well... the 4 link can hook in mud.. I
wanted the Rampage LOW so I went with the
ladder bars.. if you go with the ladder bars
and drive it on the street you should add a
bracket on the rear so you dont crack off the
bar at the rear.. if you need a pic I can show
you what I mean
wave


If you have some pics of how you braced ladder bars for the street, i would love to see them.
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#2384196 - 10/08/17 09:58 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: nasty68]
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The big thing is the lower bracket on the
housing... the brace on the axle keeps the
lower bracket from flexing.. its on the
right hand side..sort of hard to see since
its all black
wave


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#2384752 - 10/09/17 08:13 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Cool, thanks for the pic.
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#2384767 - 10/09/17 08:34 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: nasty68]
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Originally Posted By nasty68
Cool, thanks for the pic.


up
wave
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#2384792 - 10/09/17 09:10 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Registered: 12/07/04
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Loc: Rittman Ohio
So the diagonal link is the best way to go then? I have seen some cars "Watts link" work but it looks like another whole day of fabrication and another $200 in rod ends and material.

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#2384863 - 10/09/17 11:08 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: fourgearsavoy]
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the diagonal link is the simplest and easyist
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#2384884 - 10/09/17 11:31 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Registered: 08/23/03
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Loc: Bend,OR USA
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
the diagonal link is the simplest and easyist
wave
iagree
Mine work excellent, no sway or any other stupid actions driving it on the street with bias and radails tires mixed or on all radials or all bias ply tires front and rear up
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#2385023 - 10/10/17 10:20 AM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: fourgearsavoy]
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I made my diagonal link from thicker dom material because I had heard and read that some people were having flexing issues and the bar bending. Then I thought Hey! why not make it into an x-brace. Unfortunately the car is not ready to drive yet.
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#2385099 - 10/10/17 12:31 PM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: fourgearsavoy]
DoubleD Offline
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Posts: 1742
Loc: NE Ohio
Ladder bars will work very well - and you can leave your frame rails in - If you ever want to go a NSS class - there are strict rules on altering the rear frame rails - hence the reason the majority of cars are ladder bar. If you do go ladder bar you want to use the longest bar you can and have the ladder link feature to make adjustments easy. Caltrac set ups work really good also - in a 3800 lb car I can yank the front wheels footbraking on 9' slicks


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#2385584 - 10/11/17 10:53 AM Re: Ladder bar suspension [Re: fourgearsavoy]
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My car has 3" TTI exh Gus and you can see in this pic if you moved the springs in the springs would be right up to the exh tailpipes as it would be tight. Everything on my car is stock. You would need to go with a fuel cell most likey if you went with just moving the springs in and going with Cal Tracs or ladder bars. I had the Hoosier QTP 29 x 11 on my car with this stock wheelwells and they cleared but would rub to much on turns. For a race car only they would have been ok but not for me driving on the street. Thats why I like the 30 x 9's as they have plenty of room and dont rub at all. And hook fine for me. Good luck what ever you decide. Ron

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