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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
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05/20/11 04:14 AM
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: fbs63]
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05/20/11 10:00 AM
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Its a 67. I know everyone makes glass A body doors but no one makes them with the window frame.
I see ax list .... hold onto your wallet for dealimg with any aero-space operation. Then there is the shipping back-and-forth THEN the fact that the weight loss is not-so-much.
What I would suggest ... buy a set of FG doors and then have a good welder WELD UP some alum channel for the frame. I know a couple of companies that offer doors(not A body) that make the frame you speak-of out of FG.
VERY weak and fragile.
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: dOrk !]
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05/20/11 03:01 PM
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Its a 67. I know everyone makes glass A body doors but no one makes them with the window frame.
I see ax list .... hold onto your wallet for dealimg with any aero-space operation. Then there is the shipping back-and-forth THEN the fact that the weight loss is not-so-much.
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He didn't ask for cheap. 
I think you might find some more reasonable places. Probably need connections or just finding the right place willing to deal with you.
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: dOrk !]
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05/20/11 03:09 PM
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Its a 67. I know everyone makes glass A body doors but no one makes them with the window frame.
I see ax list .... hold onto your wallet for dealimg with any aero-space operation. Then there is the shipping back-and-forth THEN the fact that the weight loss is not-so-much.
What I would suggest ... buy a set of FG doors and then have a good welder WELD UP some alum channel for the frame. I know a couple of companies that offer doors(not A body) that make the frame you speak-of out of FG.
VERY weak and fragile.
I have never seen anyone that makes the vent window frames from fiberglass. I would be interested in what they do. Don't know whay they couldnt lay up the frame with a moly tube to stiffen it and run it to the bottom of the door like the stock one does. 
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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05/20/11 04:49 PM
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Forget the vent windows and frames  Make a one piece Lexan window and use aluminum angle or square tubing to simulate and support the windows  
I don't think it would look right .... if the frames were not part of the combo ...uNless that frame was made part of the car itself.
As far as the comment ...no FG company makes doors with any type of frame like that. The 55-7 Chevy is the first that comes to mind that DOES have that FG frame.
NOT very durable though.
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: fbs63]
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05/20/11 10:02 PM
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I just talked with a local company we have here and they want $280 for a door, $400 for a hood, $280 for a fender, $350 for a trunk lid and to have these parts zinc phosphate coated it is 40% of the dipping cost. My buddy and are going to set up a tank just big enough for our parts and use muriatic acid diluted 4/1 with water and I have a product already for the coating. We have 2 hoods, 4 doors, 4 fenders and one trunk lid to do so sourcing out the dipping is just not going to happen. You might want to give this a try.
Last edited by Superfreak; 05/20/11 10:03 PM.
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: Stanton]
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05/21/11 12:48 AM
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Dave Boerterman had a swimming pool in his back yard full of acid. At times he would forget or leave a part too long.............sometimes.it would disappear
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
[Re: Stanton]
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05/21/11 02:16 AM
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I don't think muriatic acid is going to give you the results you want but knock yourself out. A 4:1 mix will take forever to eat any significant weight away. In order for muriatic to even begin to work the parts have to be bare metal - free of everything: paint, oil, etc.. The acid will leave a rough, porous surface so you're going to end up putting an equal amount of weight in bondo back on to get a decent paintable surface! Personally I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that vat - the fumes from just a quart bottle will damn near kill you!! Just out of curiosity, what's your disposal plan - being from the land of tree-hungers and all ?!?!?
We would only be doing this for rust removal, not for any actual metal removal if that's what the OP is planning. I have done this a fare bit already and 24 hrs is all it takes. You can use muriatic acid to change the PH in your swimming pool and after you dilute it enough there is no harm to the environment.( the grass in my back yard )
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
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05/21/11 08:09 AM
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There is a place in Michigan that does it for us. PM me if you want his number. Mike
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
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05/21/11 09:38 AM
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We would only be doing this for rust removal
Then you're going to WAY too much trouble with a tank and all that acid. Buy a jug of rust converter and spray it on the rust areas - large or small. A) its WAY safer to use B) it requires no rinse so no flash rust like the muriatic will do C) you'll get the job done faster since you can spray all the panels at once D) it'll cost less than all the muriatic and a tank E) NO disposal required F) leaves a protective phosphate coating when dry.
There is probably a local chemical company that makes the rust converter under their own name. There is one local to me and I buy rust converter concentrate for $20./gal.. 4:1 mix for a bath or 20:1 mix for a spray. The same stuff and WAY cheaper than the name-brand stuff.
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Re: Acid dipping sheet metal
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05/21/11 11:59 AM
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Why not swiss cheese the doors behind the door panels? And remove the regulators and use a seat belt with a lexan window. That way you can still leave the vent window in.
THERE you go. The BULK of the weight is in all this stuff.
And the bottom line is this ..... FG doors ... is the best weight reduction in this area. But it is a very expensive operation. Dollar-per-pound of weight reduction is huge compared to a hood or bumper.
And then CHEMICAL MILLING would probably be TRIPLE the total cost of the FG conversion ....with maybe 30% of the weight savings of FG.
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Thinking about doing the doors off my Valiant since no one makes glass doors for it.
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