Stock-block build with original B1s...
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Finally scored a nice set of B1 originals offa Ebay with valves, intake manifold, T&D rockers, all gaskets and valve covers all brand new. Basically all I have to buy are head studs and offset roller lifters to get started. I want to run them on an early (thick main web, '71 cast, BIG numbers) 400 block with stroker internals (custom pistons, etc.). This is going in either a Colt with strut front end an ladder bars or a FED rail, so it will be a lightweight, Powerglide equipped vehicle regardless. Being locked into a stock B-block, should I consider a 511" (4.25") stroke, short (6.535") rod combo, or just stick with the 499" setup with 440 length or 6.7" Chevy BB rods? I know I will have to spin it (rpm) on that small of a motor, but in a lightweight chassis, and especially the rail with a transbrake and NO suspension or a squirrelly Colt, maybe a softer bottom end will help get launched. Ideas, thoughts, data??? Thanks in advance...RB
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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You say you are locked in to a stock block? Pardon my promoting an aftermarket block, but I believe it to be in your best interests. That stock block will make a nice down payment on a KB low deck block, if you would consider that. About $5200 ready to assemble, from what I hear. Do some figuring on machine work and the KB looks like a better deal, from my experiences so far. You will have a block that can make over 900 hp easily, and if the heads have been ported, maybe more. The stock blocks are in dangerous territory at that level and above. Any way you go about it, my vote goes for 2.200 mains on the crank, as short a piston as you can run with the B1 heads. Then figure out which rod will go in there, by adjusting the pin height of the piston to match. With a motor that will generate the rpms this one will, I would also go with aluminum rods in a stock block. If you can find a crank with center counter weights, that will take a lot of stress off a stock block also.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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I run a stock block, exact same thing you want to build 230 casting 71 400 block 499, bme rods, orig b1s, alum main caps bcr girdle, 9.4:1 comp and a 118mm turbo! But....
I am building a new koleno low deck cast iron block so I can beat on this thing harder once i get it all figured out.
Call Steve and Marty at koleno! Talk to them about their new block if you are interested.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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05/16/11 01:10 AM
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Put it together. Detonation and bob weight will be your enemies. Keep detonation away and the rotating assembly as light as you can and it can live for a long time. I have had a few stock block B1 deals and they have all lived well. I ALWAYS use aluminum rods and caps and a short fill. IMO go with the shorter rod 4.25" stroke with the 2.200" rods. Makes for a great package that can make good reliable power.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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05/16/11 12:11 PM
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Put it together. Detonation and bob weight will be your enemies. Keep detonation away and the rotating assembly as light as you can and it can live for a long time. I have had a few stock block B1 deals and they have all lived well. I ALWAYS use aluminum rods and caps and a short fill. IMO go with the shorter rod 4.25" stroke with the 2.200" rods. Makes for a great package that can make good reliable power.
I've done the same thing but never over 850HP. I never had problems either but have seen others that have, and bob weight, main flex, and detonation are the reason for failure, as Al mentioned. Aluminum mains are a must.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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05/16/11 11:14 PM
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I never had the B1 the Valiant on the dyno but it wen 9.02 at 149 weighing 3470lbs. Not sure on the power numbers, use whatever claculator floats your boat. It worked very well for me. It was a 4.25 stroke, good set of B1 originals and had aluminum rods, caps and a short fill in a 400 block. No reason it cant work. Is it the optimal set up these days probably not given you can get a World block fairly easily. Will it work and last? Yes if it is built right and you keep it from detonating it will.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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Ari they were 412-422cfm on the three benches they were on.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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Ari-Frankly I dont recall the cam specs off hand. I was under .750" lift and did have 115LSA. I had planned on spraying the motor but never did. The compression was just under 14-1.
I am in the process of moving to Vegas and most of the car stuff is already there with the cars. Sorry I cannot be more specific for you. The cam was from Scott Brown.
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
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thanks AL
one more question ,if you remember
what was timming and jetting
1.39 9.85 - 137 mph
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Re: Stock-block build with original B1s...
[Re: Ari440]
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Timing was 34 degrees on motor passes. Carb is a Holley Ultra Dominator and jetting was in the 90-92 range after some playing with air bleeds etc.
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