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Re: hood hinges
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Don't waste your money on rebuilding them. 
WOW!
what happened? Ive never heard from someone having issues.
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Re: hood hinges
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Don't waste your money on rebuilding them.
WOW!
what happened? Ive never heard from someone having issues.
Well after two years, they are back to exactly how they were before they were rebuilt. 
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: pinkduster]
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04/11/11 12:50 PM
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Don't waste your money on rebuilding them.
WOW!
what happened? Ive never heard from someone having issues.
Well after two years, they are back to exactly how they were before they were rebuilt.
Who rebuilt them?
Did the hinges get exposed to sand or grit?
After 2 years... that's odd. I have a car here that I did the hinges on in 2004, they're in perfect shape... hood gets opened plenty like most of these cars. 
Rick
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: RestoRick]
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04/11/11 07:29 PM
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Don't waste your money on rebuilding them.
WOW!
what happened? Ive never heard from someone having issues.
Well after two years, they are back to exactly how they were before they were rebuilt.
Who rebuilt them?
Did the hinges get exposed to sand or grit?
After 2 years... that's odd. I have a car here that I did the hinges on in 2004, they're in perfect shape... hood gets opened plenty like most of these cars.
Rick
Here is a video demo (made today) of my rebuilt hood hinges. 
video
 Guess my next move is to start experimenting with different springs. 
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Re: hood hinges
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Weak springs or the wrong springs... air grabber hoods used a heavier spring. Measure what you have and send me an email.. rick@restorick.comI probably have a pair of the heavier ones I'll swap for no charge.
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Re: hood hinges
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That is a spring problem for sure.
Air grabbers use 27 turn springs and 23
for non air grabber.
Rick does top notch work.
Jules
My car isn't a factory air grabber car. The hood was added by a previous owner back around 1991. I just went out and counted the springs and I counted 19. I have another 71 RR (project) 383 standard hood and I count 19 on it as well. Same (19) on a extra set of hinges from a Charger that I parted out.
My hood never lifted up in the back when it was closed. However, ever since I bought the car in 05, the hinges seemed to be getting weaker and eventually would not hold the hood up when the engine was running. This is why I inquired about getting them rebuilt. After the rebuilding, they worked great for about a year and a half. Then they started to show signs of weakness again, and now they are worse than before. Let me tell you, it's NOT a good feeling hearing all that $$$$ air grabber stuff crashing closed. 
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: pinkduster]
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04/12/11 09:59 PM
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The fresh tight hinges will compensate for insufficient spring tension temporarily. You need the heavier springs as used on a car with an air grabber... I'll look what I have tomorrow... if I have a pair of the heavier ones, they're yours if you want to swap. I promise you the crashing hood syndrome will be a thing of the past with the correct springs. 
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Re: hood hinges
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04/12/11 10:07 PM
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The fresh tight hinges will compensate for insufficient spring tension temporarily.
You need the heavier springs as used on a car with an air grabber...
I'll look what I have tomorrow... if I have a pair of the heavier ones, they're yours if you want to swap. I promise you the crashing hood syndrome will be a thing of the past with the correct springs.
Yes, of course I'd like to do some kind of deal like that. This situation has to be fixed.
I count 19 (again) on these ebay "air grabber" hood springs.
ebay auction
So is this guy misrepresenting what he's selling? 
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: BS27ROB]
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04/13/11 02:33 PM
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That sure looks like it might be a spring issue. Usually when someone talks about their hinges needing rebuilding it's because when you close the hood the rear of the hood raises up above the fender. Are they the original springs or is the fresh air added?
Okay guys I just installed a shaker setup on my 70 cuda & now my hood sticks up in the rear untill you push it down? & it still is not flush.The car had the stock cuda bulge hood on it & all was fine! Is this a case of bad hinges also? or spring rates on the shaker vs bulge hood ? 
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Re: hood hinges
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04/13/11 02:48 PM
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Usually if you can move the rear edge of the hood up & down when it's closed, it's worn teeth. The slop allows the hinge arms to move enough to cause the back edge to walk up. Worn pins will contribute as well, but if the pins are significantly worn, the teeth are usually trashed even worse.
It's also worth mentioning... I have people ask all the time, "How badly worn were my hinges?". Every set I've had apart, including clean, seemingly "good" hinges, had excessive clearance in the teeth.
The manufacturer of these hinges stamped the teeth, so they weren't a very precise fit from day one.
I weld them up & grind/sand them for a precise mesh.
Rick
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: RestoRick]
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Thaanks rick. So on the shakers there is no diff in springs vs the bulge hood? & how long for resto proccess? I wonder why it did not show up on the other hood? Maybe the weight diff? May wait untill summers over if it comes this year? to have u restore them  thank you
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Re: hood hinges
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04/13/11 03:23 PM
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Top one should do the trick:
20 turns 2.125 OD, .264 wire dia.
Lower:
19 turns- 2.095 OD, .242 wire dia.
Rick
Rick
Is the top spring the right one for the RT/ Ralley (Bulge) Hood?
Thank you!
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Re: hood hinges
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Thaanks rick.
So on the shakers there is no diff in springs vs the bulge hood?
& how long for resto proccess? I wonder why it did not show up on the other hood? Maybe the weight diff? May wait untill summers over if it comes this year? to have u restore them
thank you
70-74 Cuda w/o shaker= 3586088 (lighter than the longer hooded Challenger)
70-74 Cuda w/shaker= 3586092 (also used on Challenger with or w/o shaker.)
Turnaround is typically a couple days on rebuilding.
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Re: hood hinges
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04/13/11 04:16 PM
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Top one should do the trick:
20 turns 2.125 OD, .264 wire dia.
Lower:
19 turns- 2.095 OD, .242 wire dia.
Rick
Rick
Is the top spring the right one for the RT/ Ralley (Bulge) Hood?
Thank you!
I'm not 100% sure... I haven't researched the late B-bodies that close yet. The pic is the two I've seen used on them most often.
The parts book shows the same number as used on the Challenger hood, however, I'm not sure that's what happened in production, as I've seen the heavier spring a number of times.
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Re: hood hinges
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Thaanks rick.
So on the shakers there is no diff in springs vs the bulge hood?
& how long for resto proccess? I wonder why it did not show up on the other hood? Maybe the weight diff? May wait untill summers over if it comes this year? to have u restore them
thank you
70-74 Cuda w/o shaker= 3586088 (lighter than the longer hooded Challenger)
70-74 Cuda w/shaker= 3586092 (also used on Challenger with or w/o shaker.)
Turnaround is typically a couple days on rebuilding.
Thank for the info rick. So is it possible I have a spring problem ? Or do you think my hinges are wore out, As my hood stays up with no problem.
thank you for your help.
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Re: hood hinges
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The 70-71 parts book is a bit confusing on the subject, but it does try to imply that springs are different from fresh air hood cars. The book doesn't even differentiate between the springs of 70 or 71 B-bodies and those hood hinge assemblies are entirely different. I noticed in the past some different 1970 hood springs and assumed that it had to do with which assm. plant the car was built at. Here's a pic and specs of what I had laying around.
Top spring: 21 coil, 1.81 dia, .215 coil 70 Sat. Lynch Rd built
Mid spring: 25 coil, 1.72 dia, .215 coil 70 GTX Air Grab St.L built
btm spring: 24 coil, 1.83 dia, .250 coil 69 Super Bee?
*notice how some of the coil ends end 180 degrees different than others
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Re: hood hinges
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Yes, Dirk... the 70-71 parts book is confusing!! I'm compiling the various dimensions to see if I can make some sense of it all... might not be possible.. Thanks for those... Rick
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Re: hood hinges
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Thaanks rick.
So on the shakers there is no diff in springs vs the bulge hood?
& how long for resto proccess? I wonder why it did not show up on the other hood? Maybe the weight diff? May wait untill summers over if it comes this year? to have u restore them
thank you
70-74 Cuda w/o shaker= 3586088 (lighter than the longer hooded Challenger)
70-74 Cuda w/shaker= 3586092 (also used on Challenger with or w/o shaker.)
Turnaround is typically a couple days on rebuilding.
Thank for the info rick. So is it possible I have a spring problem ? Or do you think my hinges are wore out, As my hood stays up with no problem.
thank you for your help.
Sounds like your hinges need some love...
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Re: hood hinges
[Re: RestoRick]
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04/14/11 02:26 PM
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Yes, Dirk... the 70-71 parts book is confusing!!
I'm compiling the various dimensions to see if I can make some sense of it all... might not be possible..
Thanks for those...
Rick
Here is some E body Steel Hood spring info from one of my old threads...
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I guess while I'm on the topic of springs, I'll post the data for steel hood springs also.
'Cuda sport hood: 24 coils, .215 spring thickness (with paint), 1 3/4 outside diameter, 5 1/8 long (without hooks)
70 Challenger flat hood: 22 coils, .240 spring thickness (with paint), 1 15/16 outside diameter, 5 1/4 long (without hooks)
Tav
Found this in another thread and thought I'd post it here also since it's relevant.
Barnabas_Kriss wrote...
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Actually for the steel hoods, there are two kinds of springs, I researched this in the 70-71 factory parts book, and confirmed it on cars I owned/parted. One is 23 coils, used on 70 cuda/barracuda only. The other one is 18 coils, (wound from a thicker wire) used on 70 challengers, and all 71-74 E-bodies. This applies to all steel hoods (flat/rally/shaker).
Perhaps we've counted our coils differently, It can be tricky deciding if you should count the first and last ones with the hooks on them. Anyway, I thought I'd let everyone know this this needs looked into just a little more, and maybe a picture posted here showing a comparison.
Tav
It came from this thread about AAR & TA springs https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
Hope that helps, I'd like to make some sense of this myself!
Tav
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