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Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? #955241
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What are the disadvantages of E85 on a street/strip car? Is there any issue if the car sits for a couple of months? What needs to be changed beside the carb?


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: 65 Hemi] #955242
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All I can tell you is that you need a metal type fuel filter. The E85 will break down paper elements.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: bigsbigelow] #955243
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Availability of stations that have it.

Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: bigsbigelow] #955244
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Ruin paper element fuel filters? I ran it all the time in my 68 cuda with a see through paper element and have never had a fuel system related problem. Never saw it "clean all the rust out of the tank" or even had 40 year old rubber line give me an issue. I think a lot of guys have issues they just want to blame on the ethanol. It is actually a preservative and not corrosive, you can drink straight ethanol and live to tell.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: HotRodDave] #955245
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Ruin paper element fuel filters? I ran it all the time in my 68 cuda with a see through paper element and have never had a fuel system related problem. Never saw it "clean all the rust out of the tank" or even had 40 year old rubber line give me an issue. I think a lot of guys have issues they just want to blame on the ethanol. It is actually a preservative and not corrosive, you can drink straight ethanol and live to tell.




Okay, I will reword my post. Some of the adhesives used in paper filters have been known to break down from the use of E85. The paper itself doesn't. Which brand of filters fail? I do not know. Google e85 and fuel filters. You will find a plethora of information.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: 65 Hemi] #955246
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What are the disadvantages of E85 on a street/strip car? Is there any issue if the car sits for a couple of months? What needs to be changed beside the carb?




I've left a full tank in my car over the winter and
it fired right up in the spring... now days just to be
on the safe side I drain it and add just regular gas
and idle on it while I pour in oil into the carb while
it just runs out of fuel(to lube the bores)

Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: astjp2] #955247
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Availability of stations that have it.


That was my thought.

The first year I ran E85 with a carburator, I used my old Fram HPG-1 fuel filter (paper element); and after checking it a couple times during that period (including the end), the element was just fine.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: astjp2] #955248
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It is more available in this area than race gas.
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Availability of stations that have it.




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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: 65 Hemi] #955249
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It is more available in this area than race gas.
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Availability of stations that have it.







The only thing about storing the car for long periods
is the ethanol will absorb water... the water is the
problem.... you could seal the vent BUT the expansion
will be a problem

Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #955250
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It is more available in this area than race gas.
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Availability of stations that have it.







The only thing about storing the car for long periods
is the ethanol will absorb water... the water is the
problem.... you could seal the vent BUT the expansion
will be a problem



Condensation in the fuel tanks, metal or in fuel cells,is a big problem in airplanes that sit long peroids of times, especially in wet climates Alcohol of most types suck water out of the atomshpere, mixed with water Methannol makes acids that kills aluminum I don't know about ethanol, probally not like Methanol at all Anyone know for sure the results on ethanol and water mixed together?


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Condensation in the fuel tanks, metal or in fuel cells,is a big problem in airplanes that sit long peroids of times, especially in wet climates Alcohol of most types suck water out of the atomshpere, mixed with water Methannol makes acids that kills aluminum I don't know about ethanol, probally not like Methanol at all Anyone know for sure the results on ethanol and water mixed together?




It doesnt create any issues... just the water itself
is a problem... I pulled my metering blocks last year
and had a little bit of corrosion... cant say exactly what
caused it

Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #955252
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Have converted 4 cars, so far the only thing I have found is a little corrosion on the main body behind the metering blocks. Nothing as far as the fuel cell (alum) or the filters or pumps. Have inspected all of them. Looking into getting the main body of the carb anodized, I know it can be done just don't know who to have do it! Any ideas? I have seen aftermarket carbs done, had a set of Books that were anodized, maybe I'll call them. If anyone has a source to do this please let me know,as I would like to remedy to problem before it eats the main body past the point of repair. Thanks.

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I'm convinced, e85 for me, when I get my car going.
But also want it efi.

Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: B1KILLER] #955254
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I'm convinced, e85 for me, when I get my car going.
But also want it efi.




XFI for that one. The EZ efi unfortunetly will not work with E85...

I was thinking about it for my latest car, but very few stations carry it, even though I am one town away from the plant that makes it.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: astjp2] #955255
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Availability of stations that have it.




Around here, that's the main disadvantage.

A couple buddies who use e85 both upgraded their cell phones to gps capable units, and then programmed in every station they could find within a couple hundred mile radius of home, to try to solve the availability issue....


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: Comp Chassis 2] #955256
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Have converted 4 cars, so far the only thing I have found is a little corrosion on the main body behind the metering blocks. Nothing as far as the fuel cell (alum) or the filters or pumps. Have inspected all of them. Looking into getting the main body of the carb anodized, I know it can be done just don't know who to have do it! Any ideas? I have seen aftermarket carbs done, had a set of Books that were anodized, maybe I'll call them. If anyone has a source to do this please let me know,as I would like to remedy to problem before it eats the main body past the point of repair. Thanks.



Google DIY anodizing and you will find many articles explaining how to do it yourself. Small parts like carbs can be done in a bucket.
http://www.google.com/search?q=diy+anodi...images&tbs=

Or just try this link. http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/index.html

But anodizing would only work with aluminum carbs. The majority of Holley carbs are zinc and I think would need to be nickel or chromate coated.

You might get some ideas from these two links.
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/alzinc.htm
http://www.martechholdings.com/chromates.html

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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: Dragula] #955257
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I'm convinced, e85 for me, when I get my car going.
But also want it efi.




XFI for that one. The EZ efi unfortunetly will not work with E85...

I was thinking about it for my latest car, but very few stations carry it, even though I am one town away from the plant that makes it.




Did you go to the E85 gas station search? There are a few around you and one in Lockport itself. I have ran E85 all last year and love the stuff.I just started the car up 4 days ago when we had spring. (now we are back to winter and snow today ) I just poored alittle straight gas in and when it fired up switched over to E85 that has been in the fuel cell since September. No problems at all.


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Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: slippery440] #955258
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I'm convinced, e85 for me, when I get my car going.
But also want it efi.




XFI for that one. The EZ efi unfortunetly will not work with E85...

I was thinking about it for my latest car, but very few stations carry it, even though I am one town away from the plant that makes it.




Did you go to the E85 gas station search? There are a few around you and one in Lockport itself. I have ran E85 all last year and love the stuff.I just started the car up 4 days ago when we had spring. (now we are back to winter and snow today ) I just poored alittle straight gas in and when it fired up switched over to E85 that has been in the fuel cell since September. No problems at all.




I did a search, and closest one it showed was Tonawanda, please post the link to the one you used.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Disadvantages of E85 on street strip car? [Re: Dragula] #955259
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www.growthenergy.com There is one at 95 South Transite in Lockport. Three more within 10 to 20 miles. They are showing up more around Rochester. I live in Penn Yan and the closes is about a hour away. I use E85 only in the drag car so when I go get fuel I get it by the barrel full. I use anywhere from 6 to 10 gallons a day racing.I really think that you will see more gas stations with E85.


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I'm convinced, e85 for me, when I get my car going.
But also want it efi.




XFI for that one. The EZ efi unfortunetly will not work with E85...

I was thinking about it for my latest car, but very few stations carry it, even though I am one town away from the plant that makes it.




Just run a flex fuel sensor. I have one in my dart with the xfi works great. The only downside to e-85 in my book is you need to fill up more often. So I am getting this next

http://www.jegs.com/i/Aeromotive/027/18663/10002/-1

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Mine was a little harder to start when outside temp dropped.

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What would happen if your running E85 on the street,
and you run out. Can you run 93? will the car run?

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if you have afetrmarket ignition yes, stock dont know but it will be pig rich.

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Well i am really thinking hard about converting over.
But the closest station to me is about 20 miles.
And i have a 10 gallon fuel cell.
The math does not add up to me. Im gonna run out!

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Well i am really thinking hard about converting over.
But the closest station to me is about 20 miles.
And i have a 10 gallon fuel cell.
The math does not add up to me. Im gonna run out!




You better think about a bigger tank

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Well i am really thinking hard about converting over.
But the closest station to me is about 20 miles.
And i have a 10 gallon fuel cell.
The math does not add up to me. Im gonna run out!




You better think about a bigger tank




Yeah that is my thought also.
But then i have a basically brand new fuel cell Im not using.

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