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Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? #940998 03/01/11 11:24 PM 03/01/11 11:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 842 Urbana, MD B bordin34 OP super stock
bordin34 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 842 Urbana, MD	So I found a 66-67 Big-block belvedere in a junkyard with 15" wheels. Were 15" wheels an option on them and if so are they desirable? Also there is an R-body 5th Ave would this have the 11.75" adapters? Thanks

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: bordin34] #940999 03/02/11 04:33 AM 03/02/11 04:33 AM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars. Regarding the 15 inch wheels: I dont think that Pre 1970 cars except C body and Imperial models had them. Maybe HEMI cars being the exception. The 83-89 Dippy/5th ave/ GF cars had them, and they had decent backspacing as well.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: bordin34] #941000 03/02/11 10:17 AM 03/02/11 10:17 AM
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patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: So I found a 66-67 Big-block belvedere in a junkyard with 15" wheels. Were 15" wheels an option on them and if so are they desirable? Also there is an R-body 5th Ave would this have the 11.75" adapters? Thanks R-body 5th ave (80-82) would have the big brakes, as it's a reskinned and stretched B. R body wheels are either 15x6.5 or 15x7, not sure which. '83-up M's are 15x7 w/4.25" BS 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: patrick] #941001 03/02/11 09:58 PM 03/02/11 09:58 PM
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bordin34 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 842 Urbana, MD	Can anybody identify these wheels?

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: bordin34] #941002 03/02/11 10:51 PM 03/02/11 10:51 PM
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ro23_j member R Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 167 Maryland	From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars. The date code is stamped next to the valve stem, as is the width. All I can see in the picture is 60, which is the width.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: ro23_j] #941003 03/02/11 11:17 PM 03/02/11 11:17 PM
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wally426ci master Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,554 Maryland	Hey Bourdin, the black 5th avenue closer to the bridge looked to have decent 15's on it. i think they are 15x7 judging by the responses i got on here. There is also a 5th avenue over with some other random cars if you look to the left past the 87 camaro when you are heading toward the office to pay.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: wally426ci] #941004 03/03/11 12:38 AM 03/03/11 12:38 AM
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bordin34 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 842 Urbana, MD	I got the 15s from the 5th ave by the bridge, but it was literally 5:00 by the time I got them up front and they refused to take the tires off so I am going back tomorrow for them. The only other numbers on those C-body rim I could see were 2 number (2)'s. Are they worth grabbing? They are actually on a Fury III not a belvedere. Last edited by bordin34; 03/03/11 12:58 AM.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: ro23_j] #941005 03/03/11 11:30 AM 03/03/11 11:30 AM
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B5 Bee master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea	Quote: From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars. '67 wheels are different than '68. The '67 wheel used a 10" cap, the '68 a 9".

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Kern Dog] #941006 03/03/11 05:47 PM 03/03/11 05:47 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Quote: I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars. The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: B5 Bee] #941007 03/03/11 07:02 PM 03/03/11 07:02 PM
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64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Quote: Quote: From the pictures, those appear to be 15x6JK wheels. Used on C-body cars with disc brakes and also used on the '67 RO/WO cars. If I am not mistaken, they were also used on '68 Hemi cars. '67 wheels are different than '68. The '67 wheel used a 10" cap, the '68 a 9".

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941008 03/03/11 07:07 PM 03/03/11 07:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: Quote: I have seen plenty of Diplomat/5th ave/Gran Fury cars in the yards and have never seen them with anything other than the 11 inch front brakes. The only cars that I have seen the 12 inch front rotors on are the 74 and later Cordoba/Charger/Fury models. They may have been on other cars but I have only seen them on those cars. The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes. nope, all F/M/J's had 10.87" discs from the factory. only the B's & R's had the 11.75's....in fact I think that's all they had after about mid '76... 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: patrick] #941009 03/03/11 07:23 PM 03/03/11 07:23 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Quote: Quote: The police package Dippys as well as a few of the fleet cars had the large 11.75" brakes. nope, all F/M/J's had 10.87" discs from the factory. only the B's & R's had the 11.75's....in fact I think that's all they had after about mid '76... You are incorrect sir. I pulled my 11.75" caliper brackets off a Diplomat police car. In fact, I pulled a couple sets for other folks too. Pick-n-Pull used to be very nice to me in my junkyarding days. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941010 03/03/11 08:48 PM 03/03/11 08:48 PM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Must be either a Texas thing or your harbor freight tape measure. Heh heh heh.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Kern Dog] #941011 03/04/11 10:06 AM 03/04/11 10:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	never seen it in all my 8 years of yarding for M body parts, nobody's ever documented it on dippy.org, and there's no reference to 11.75" discs in my '85,'86, & '88 M body FSM's....if I had to guess, it was a popular upgrade for people after the fact.... were they pin or slider mount? I've only seen slider mounts in factory apps after about '77 or so on all the late B &R's I've scrounged through, too... 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: patrick] #941012 03/04/11 05:50 PM 03/04/11 05:50 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	They used slider mounts. I have a pair of those mounts in my garage waiting to go back on the hot rod if it doesn't sell with the big brakes. Rockauto.com lists 11.75" rotors for an 1981 Grand Fury. Most of them were the 10.8" rotors but some police package cars had the big ones. Once again, never say never with Chrysler. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941013 03/04/11 06:36 PM 03/04/11 06:36 PM
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A38s! master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,886 US of A	They're out there. B F M R. J? Just pulled 11.75s from a Dip civilian. WANTED: Your 71-78 Late B-body sedan parts! Police or Civilian.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: A38s!] #941014 03/04/11 11:11 PM 03/04/11 11:11 PM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	The interchangeability of these cars coupled with them being in the hands of the public for 25+ years means that strange combinations NEVER assembled by Chrysler can be found quite often.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941015 03/05/11 09:59 AM 03/05/11 09:59 AM
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cudazappa super stock Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 801 central CT	Quote: They used slider mounts. I have a pair of those mounts in my garage waiting to go back on the hot rod if it doesn't sell with the big brakes. Rockauto.com lists 11.75" rotors for an 1981 Grand Fury. Most of them were the 10.8" rotors but some police package cars had the big ones. Once again, never say never with Chrysler. 1980-1981 Gran Fury is an R-body. It became an M-body in 1982. QED R-body = 11.75 rotors. Maybe your Diplomat cop car was really a St. Regis? But, its an easy 2 hour upgrade. Police depts. scrapping R-bodies and buying M-bodies... doesn't seem like a leap to me. And then those M-bodies becoming taxis.... I saw them in service at college from 98-2001. 1971 Challenger

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: cudazappa] #941016 03/05/11 12:45 PM 03/05/11 12:45 PM
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Erics5th UsedtobeSatellite6 E Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,472 Lubbock, TX	The only difference between the civilian M body brakes and police/fleet M bodys are the rear brakes. The front disks where the same size, the rears on police cars used 11X2.5" inch drums instead of the 10X2.5" Eric

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Erics5th] #941017 03/05/11 04:23 PM 03/05/11 04:23 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Quote: The only difference between the civilian M body brakes and police/fleet M bodys are the rear brakes. The front disks where the same size, the rears on police cars used 11X2.5" inch drums instead of the 10X2.5" That's a beautiful thing. Tell it to the cars I pulled the brakes off of in the 90s. I know the M bodies. I drove a 79 LeBaron for a few years. Some of the cop cars had 11.75" brakes. I'm sorry it's so difficult for some folks to understand. It happened. Get over it. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941018 03/05/11 08:17 PM 03/05/11 08:17 PM
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Erics5th UsedtobeSatellite6 E Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,472 Lubbock, TX	Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts. Eric

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Erics5th] #941019 03/06/11 12:02 AM 03/06/11 12:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,142 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe... 5 5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway
5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,142 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe...	Every one of them Ive ever seen had the normal size front brakes. Even the ordering books from Chrysler only anyhing about the back. Id almost guess some agency had older parts around and swapped them on but who knows. The bigger drums disappeared in 1988.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Erics5th] #941020 03/06/11 10:59 AM 03/06/11 10:59 AM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Quote: Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts. Exactly. I simply stated the facts. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: feets] #941021 03/06/11 11:49 AM 03/06/11 11:49 AM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Quote: Mmm, no. Nothing to get over. Facts are facts. Exactly. I simply stated the facts. Facts, hmm. fact is no M body came from the factory with 11.75" rotors. If you found one, it was swapped by someone. Fact. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Junkyard 5th Ave and 1966-67 Belvedere 15" Wheels? [Re: Supercuda] #941022 03/06/11 03:49 PM 03/06/11 03:49 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	I guess I'll have to carry half of the Moparts crowd in my back pocket next time I go to the yards to pull parts. I've got nothing to gain by telling tall tales concerning parts pulled off cars nearly 20 years ago. I must have been lucky more than once with the exact same parts on the same kind of cars. Maybe it was a local department thing. I dunno. I went looking for white M bodies. Very few of them had what I wanted but I did find and pull the parts myself. Fact your little heart away. I really don't care. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

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