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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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dont know the diff.??is the 69 motor balanced the same. & if so will this flywheel work on this app.
NO the 69 motor is not balnced the same .
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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I was told steel crank all the way up to 71-72 if not changed out & dampener is the clue so I am still confused looking for answers  so it sounds like if my crank in my 70 hp motor is stock then the 11" flywheel will work because notors are balanced the same????? which is external or internal? I mnow its monday & my brain is toast 
so any other input I have been told that 69-70 hp 440 balanced the same from my local repair mopar guy. which is diff. from what I am being told here????
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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okay I have an 440 hp motor with an casting date of 11/23/69 & a date code on pad for assy. date of F which is 1970 so my question is on balancing is the 69 440 motor balanced the same or Is one internal bal& one external I am confused I am wanting to use a 11" 143 tooth flywheel tht I have but I believe it is not balanced ????? so would this be a 70 or 69 internal motor?? is there any diff. 
the casting date on the side of the block is just that , the date the block was cast , nothing more , nothing less and in the grand scheme is MEANINGLESS .
The important data is the info STAMPED on the ID pad , it has an F , 1970 model year and it's an HP , 1970 model year 440 HP's are EXTERNAL BALANCE ASSuMEing that it is still as it left the factory ? What balancer is on the front of the engine , internal or external ?
I believe that you meant to state that the 70 engines were internally ballanced.
NO , I didn't , read what you quoted , and I just put in BOLD though I should have put HP after 440 above just like I did to not add confusion , which it seems I did
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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I was told steel crank all the way up to 71-72 if not changed out & dampener is the clue so I am still confused looking for answers so it sounds like if my crank in my 70 hp motor is stock then the 11" flywheel will work because notors are balanced the same????? which is external or internal? I mnow its monday & my brain is toast
so any other input I have been told that 69-70 hp 440 balanced the same from my local repair mopar guy. which is diff. from what I am being told here????
Your local guy is wrong , 70 440 NON HP is balanced the same as the 69which is INTERNAL , 70 440 HP and 6pk are EXTERNAL BALANCED , if your 143 tooth flywheel is neutral balanced it WILL NOT WORK PROPERLY ... again ASSUMING that the 70 motor you have is FACTORY ORIGINAL STILL.
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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okay so lets say my 70 440hp is stock can I use my 69 11" bellhousing & which flywheel would I use? using an 23 spline tranny
thanks marty l so tell me again 69 is internall & 70 is external i am a little slow sometimes 
A little ? if you were any slower on this you would be back in the womb ....
kidding ...
Yes you can use the 69 bellhousing on it , but you have to use an external balance 143 tooth flywheel and there wasn't one from the factory. But, lets not ASSuME it's stock. Do you know for a FACT that it is a factory stock never been monkeyed with engine ?
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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Post a picture of the balancer and we will know what you have. If nothing internal has been changed. 
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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okay so lets say my 70 440hp is stock can I use my 69 11" bellhousing & which flywheel would I use? using an 23 spline tranny
thanks marty l so tell me again 69 is internall & 70 is external i am a little slow sometimes
A little ? if you were any slower on this you would be back in the womb ....
kidding ...
Yes you can use the 69 bellhousing on it , but you have to use an external balance 143 tooth flywheel and there wasn't one from the factory. But, lets not ASSuME it's stock. Do you know for a FACT that it is a factory stock never been monkeyed with engine ?
thanks its monday so I am running only on 3cyl.
I will try to take pic tonight of balancer.
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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also here is the partial vin any idea what motor was in originally. 0 215237 cast date 11/06/69 pad info f440 A 1-23 thanks for info 
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also here is the partial vin any idea what motor was in originally.
0 215237 cast date 11/06/69
pad info f440 A
1-23
thanks for info
Is this someones 70hp440 thats missing on here?? I could sale it
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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sorry F 440 A the a is sideways above the 0 bottom line is 1 23 HP This is whats on top pad
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also here is the partial vin any idea what motor was in originally.
0 215237 cast date 11/06/69
pad info f440 A
1-23
thanks for info
Is this someones 70hp440 thats missing on here?? I could sale it
Would you also be willing to SELL it ???? or are you offering it on SALE from your original price ???
It's going to be hard to find it's original owner when you didn't provide ALL the stamped info ? Is there and HP on the top pad ? You left out the build plant off the VIN on the side ....
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Johnrr is right on all counts. Here is info and pics on the dampers to identify your balancer; http://www.440source.com/dampers.htmI shouldn't confuse the issue by telling you that I was able to balance my '70 F440HP internally still using the factory 6 pack rods, necessitating the use of a non "6 Pack" damper...... Dave
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I shouldn't confuse the issue by telling you that I was able to balance my '70 F440HP internally still using the factory 6 pack rods, necessitating the use of a non "6 Pack" damper......
Dave
I have a 440 at home with the big rods and is internally balanced also , just took small pieces of mallory in the drilled holes , was not very expensive to have done.
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also here is the partial vin any idea what motor was in originally.
0 215237 cast date 11/06/69
pad info f440 A
1-23
thanks for info
Is this someones 70hp440 thats missing on here?? I could sale it
Would you also be willing to SELL it ???? or are you offering it on SALE from your original price ???
It's going to be hard to find it's original owner when you didn't provide ALL the stamped info ? Is there and HP on the top pad ? You left out the build plant off the VIN on the side ....
I Do not have motor for sale its going in my car 6pk style unless someone here has the car it came out of.& needs it really really bad $$$$ via partial vin# thats all of the numbers. and thats enough #s to tell if its your motor.also there was never a price mentioned. and look at posts motor is stamped hp & it does have six pack dampner complete motor missing nothing & running
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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via partial vin# thats all of the numbers. and thats enough #s to tell if its your motor.
thanks
here is the VIN you posted
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also here is the partial vin any idea what motor was in originally.
0 215237
That is not the complete VIN , it's missing the plant code , every single plant that built cars will have 1 engine with the numbers you posted AND a letter between the zero and 2 for the plant that stamped and installed it.
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Re: 70 hp440 ????
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 there is a space where it would be i will look closer tonight but even with my seeing glasses on & flashlight  there is a blank spot after the 0 weird a hey can i use my neutral balance 11" flywheel on my motor & have it balanced? ya know I talked to tony d about this & he said to use it & not to worry about balancing it  whata ya think about that  thanks marty
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