low budget small block turbo project.
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Hey all, I have started on a new motor for my 69 barracuda. Anyways here is the parts I have. Its a 30 over 360, stock rods arp bolts, forged flattop pistons, should be 8.3-1. Small Engle hydraulic flat tappet cam 216 at .o50 in and ex, 113lc .486 lift with 1.6 roller rockers. ARP main bolts, head studs. I have 2 sets of head to work with, one is a set of J heads with 2.02 valves, but need rebuilt, the other set is a fully rebuilt set of 587s with a 1.88" intake valves and some mild portwork, hardened seats, and are ready to go. Do you think it would be worth the $$ to rebuild the 915s or just run the 587s? The intake is a mopar m-1 singleplane, Carb is a 750 holley double pumper with annular boosters, that will be sent out for mods. I will be using homeade log manifolds, 1-5/8" primaries dumping into a 2.5" logs. The turbo I have is a holset H2E 19cm2 exhaust housing, similar in size to a hx 50. I am looking to get around 450rwhp. Think its possible with this combo? Anything else I need to add or change? Also I have a 904 with a performance rebuild,a999 parts installed, mild shift kit and a 2500rpm converter. I doubt it will hold upto the hp and torque goals, but I dont know. Would I be better off selling this trans and building a 727? Here is a pic of the car its going in
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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Hey all thanks for the replies! I will be using mostly 93 pump gas. Fabrication isnt a problem,It what I do for a living, so that saves me money. I have thought about using flipped headers or manifolds, but they looked like they wouldnt fit, so I droped the idea. The only shortys I have seen reasonable $$ are for trucks, but they look like the would hit the stering box and the pump. I have thought about going manual steering, but that adds more $$ to the project. I also forgot to add the air to water IC in my list of parts!
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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01/20/11 12:31 PM
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I see that your carb still needs mods. Look into having it set up for E85. With E85, you wont need an I.C and all the extra plumbing that goes with it. This is only going to work if you have stations in your town that have E85, though.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
[Re: moturbopar]
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01/20/11 12:45 PM
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Hey all thanks for the replies! I will be using mostly 93 pump gas. Fabrication isnt a problem,It what I do for a living, so that saves me money. I have thought about using flipped headers or manifolds, but they looked like they wouldnt fit, so I droped the idea. The only shortys I have seen reasonable $$ are for trucks, but they look like the would hit the stering box and the pump. I have thought about going manual steering, but that adds more $$ to the project.
I also forgot to add the air to water IC in my list of parts!
If I could do fab work especailly welding up headers I'd have 2 turbos in ths thing.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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01/20/11 01:17 PM
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I wouldn't spend any money on the 587's and just run them as is, they are more than enough head to support 450hp boosted. The guys doing this with the magnum engines use the early truck manifolds reversed- an adv for the magnum platform.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
[Re: TheOtherDodge]
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01/20/11 07:32 PM
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Magnum exhaust manifolds will fit with out mods on a-body. I think the shorty magnums headers like i used need some moods to get them t fit in a a-body, check turbomustangs.com there have been a fews guys that have used them, $150.00 summit aka pacesetter shorties.get the 91-92 casting year from a truck they have the big outlets, 2 1/4 inch i think. Look up "topfueldart" on here he built his using those in a 68 or 69 dart with a 318 and its non-intercooled and runs 11's. I think twice about the holset turbo unles you already have it. if your not worried about cutting a little bit of the car i would go with a borg warner s400 75mm or 80mm (t-6 framed), it gives you room to grow. Or if your tight on space get a Master Power t-70 or t-76. i currently have a s400-75mm on my truck with a similar engine and cam as yours and have been 10.90's on 10psi on 93oct. i had the t-70 on my old 360 with exhaust manifolds and a tiny cross over pipe and went 11.80's all day on 7psi with 93 in my truck with a gen one cummins intecooler..the cross over and intercooler killed the combo this was all about 6 years ago before i found turbomustangs.com and started to get smart and ask and read stuff on the site with people with "RUNNING" and driving turbo stuff not people that dont have or have friend with a turbo car giving you advise. Point being i have used ebay style "X02 brand" wastegates and bov and $150 vsracing intercooler for years with no problems and $500 borg warner or Master power turbo with no major issues.
78 Adventurer 150small block turbo'd 360w/Borg S475....smoke'em
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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You're not going insane with the build so the 904 should last.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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that 61mm is tiny.....what exhaust side does the t70 have....if it is the .68 or .81 it will choke the engine...the .96 will be fine. i dont see why a 904 with a valve body and good cluthes and convertor wont hold up, its a light car. Turbos arent as abusive on parts as superchargers or nitrous
78 Adventurer 150small block turbo'd 360w/Borg S475....smoke'em
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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01/22/11 09:53 AM
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Magnum exhaust manifolds will fit with out mods on a-body.
Not true, drivers side doesn't fly.
Runs into the steering box (power) at least in my case.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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01/22/11 02:35 PM
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Well it looks like this engine is going to get a little more low budget. The block I was building for this engine has a crack in the cylinder wall. so I need to find a replacement. So what I am thinking of doing is. I have a fresh 360 with no miles, but unfortunatly has cast pistons. ITs ballanced and ready to go. I think I am just going to put my cam in it, and run it. In the mean time I will build a much stronger short block, with forged parts. I think I am just going to run the 904, befor it was freshend it held up to a mild 318 with 150 shot. I think I am going to build my log manifolds, I think they will fit much better than the cast manifolds.
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Re: low budget small block turbo project.
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01/22/11 05:57 PM
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Magnum exhaust manifolds will fit with out mods on a-body.
Not true, drivers side doesn't fly.
Runs into the steering box (power) at least in my case.
Not just your case, Magnum manifolds only fit with manual steering, not power in A bodies. They do fit power steering in B bodies.
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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