Lizard Skin alternative?
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01/02/11 01:00 AM
01/02/11 01:00 AM
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A friend is making brackets for my sebring convertible seat retrofit as we speak. At this time I am going to replace the carpet and use sound deadener. I got enough Ram Audio Raamat (butyl based sound deadener peel and stick, will use with their ensolite foam pad also) I already have this stuff on hand. I really want the car to be quiet and I was thinking of using lizard skin with the peel/stick over it. I don't doubt that lizard skin is a good product, but a bit steep in price and since I have no spray equipment, i'd have to buy a gun too. I read this about a possible alternative, mixing ceramic microshpheres to exterior latex paint..but I was thinking of mixing them with something else like the Henry's elastomeric roofing compound or maybe rustoleum and roller/brush it on http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/alternative-lizard-skin-103610.htmlrolling/brushing it would save work masking and such since the car is not being completely torn down. Any opinions? If it's totally a crackpot idea, by all means let me know
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Re: Lizard Skin alternative?
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#894099
01/02/11 01:26 PM
01/02/11 01:26 PM
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A friend is making brackets for my sebring convertible seat retrofit as we speak. At this time I am going to replace the carpet and use sound deadener. I got enough Ram Audio Raamat (butyl based sound deadener peel and stick, will use with their ensolite foam pad also) I already have this stuff on hand.
I really want the car to be quiet and I was thinking of using lizard skin with the peel/stick over it. I don't doubt that lizard skin is a good product, but a bit steep in price and since I have no spray equipment, i'd have to buy a gun too. I read this about a possible alternative, mixing ceramic microshpheres to exterior latex paint..but I was thinking of mixing them with something else like the Henry's elastomeric roofing compound or maybe rustoleum and roller/brush it on
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/alternative-lizard-skin-103610.html
rolling/brushing it would save work masking and such since the car is not being completely torn down.
Any opinions? If it's totally a crackpot idea, by all means let me know
We had a couple of Henry's reps at work a few weeks ago for a demo and training session on all their products. Very cool stuff. We had horizontal and vertical mockups and they applied several different products. The next day the waterblock (latex based) was a solid sheet of rubber that could not be peeled off. I doubt you'd be able to roll it on very well, they used a trowel to achieve an 80 mil thickness. I wouldn't hesitate to use it myself if it wasn't so heavy. A 5 gal. bucket weighs about 40 pounds. The other thing I found interesting is their claim that their sheet based Products achieve 3000 percent better adhesion when rolled with a J roller as apposed to just pressing them on by hand,actually voids the warranty if not rolled (the claim they can tell just by looking)They acually left a palletload of stuff behind when thet were done, been trying to think of creative uses for it myself..
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Re: Lizard Skin alternative?
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#894100
01/02/11 02:13 PM
01/02/11 02:13 PM
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A friend is making brackets for my sebring convertible seat retrofit as we speak. At this time I am going to replace the carpet and use sound deadener. I got enough Ram Audio Raamat (butyl based sound deadener peel and stick, will use with their ensolite foam pad also) I already have this stuff on hand.
I really want the car to be quiet and I was thinking of using lizard skin with the peel/stick over it. I don't doubt that lizard skin is a good product, but a bit steep in price and since I have no spray equipment, i'd have to buy a gun too. I read this about a possible alternative, mixing ceramic microshpheres to exterior latex paint..but I was thinking of mixing them with something else like the Henry's elastomeric roofing compound or maybe rustoleum and roller/brush it on
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/alternative-lizard-skin-103610.html
rolling/brushing it would save work masking and such since the car is not being completely torn down.
Any opinions? If it's totally a crackpot idea, by all means let me know
We had a couple of Henry's reps at work a few weeks ago for a demo and training session on all their products. Very cool stuff. We had horizontal and vertical mockups and they applied several different products. The next day the waterblock (latex based) was a solid sheet of rubber that could not be peeled off. I doubt you'd be able to roll it on very well, they used a trowel to achieve an 80 mil thickness. I wouldn't hesitate to use it myself if it wasn't so heavy. A 5 gal. bucket weighs about 40 pounds. The other thing I found interesting is their claim that their sheet based Products achieve 3000 percent better adhesion when rolled with a J roller as apposed to just pressing them on by hand,actually voids the warranty if not rolled (the claim they can tell just by looking)They acually left a palletload of stuff behind when thet were done, been trying to think of creative uses for it myself..
I see what you are saying abou the weight, but check the link above. If you mix in the ceramic/glass micro balloons you make it really light. ends up taking 1/4-1/2 gallon of the original material to yeild a full gallon. 50-75% of what you end up with is the beads. I wonder if it could be sprayed with an undercoat gun? in the thread that I linked, the original poster said the following:
I ended up mixing to a ratio of about 2.5 gallons of elastomeric compound (Henry's) to 2 gallons of microspheres. After seeing how thick the mixture was, I decided to roll it on which worked very well. I used a brush for tight spots and a smaller roller where I could fit it inside the doors. I spent several days applying a number of coats - probably about 5 coats which is likely more than required. I have since let the concoction sit a few weeks and I am now beginning to wire the car. The result is a tough, almost bedliner type of coating that has taken the "ring" out of the car when you tap on the steel. My '38 Dodge is all steel. I even coated the inside of the roof, doors, etc... Basically, anywhere I could fit the roller or a brush I applied the material and the amount I mixed was enough for any medium to large interior
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Re: Lizard Skin alternative?
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#894106
01/03/11 11:56 PM
01/03/11 11:56 PM
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House paint? Really? What's the best surface to apply this 'mix' over? Original paint? Primer? Epoxy? I was looking hard at Lizard Skin, but, if the same thing can be done for much cheaper...... (yes, I saw the link above, don't have the time/desire right now to read thru 16 pages).
John
The dream is dead, long live the dream.......😥
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