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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: Iceman01]
#889344
12/29/10 07:21 PM
12/29/10 07:21 PM
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Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,912
Anchorage, Alaska
Iceman01
Challenged
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Challenged
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,912
Anchorage, Alaska
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So let's take the poll that we should really be concentrating on here. No asterisk items or qualifiers -- it's either yes or no.
Yes
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16%, 15 Votes
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No
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84%, 79 Votes
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889345
12/29/10 07:30 PM
12/29/10 07:30 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 249
Sonora, CA
68X426
enthusiast
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enthusiast
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Sonora, CA
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Is ECS the same person as DLW 4 REAL ? Here is April's debate on Broadcast Sheets. Same cast, same issues. Different name for the poster. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true
The 12 Scariest Words in the English Language:
We are here from the Government and
we want to help you.
1968 Plymouth Road Runner, Hemi and much more
1968 Dodge Charger, 318 and not much else
1958 Dodge Pick Up, 383 and loud
1966 Dodge Van, Slant 6 and cool
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: JohnRR]
#889348
12/29/10 07:40 PM
12/29/10 07:40 PM
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Posts: 6,519
Buffalo, NY U.S.A.
MrNormsTA
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Buffalo, NY U.S.A.
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My goodness, I was just talking to my good friend how Mopars turn into high school sometimes.  I think a registry should reunite docs regardless of thoughts/beliefs on said owner. I know this would be hard for me to do if I ran a registry, but I would feel is the proper thing to do. Just my opinion, but I certainly have tons of respect for Barry and all he does, and this doesn't change it.  Lets say I find a wallet on the street of a person I know is a jerk, or a person who thinks differently than me. Do I return it?, keep it and give it to his kid who I like when the owner dies?, or throw it in the dumpster? Rick.
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889349
12/29/10 07:52 PM
12/29/10 07:52 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,753
Jefferson State
srt
ESYC
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ESYC
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Posts: 15,753
Jefferson State
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.... We are currently working with the CIC and SCRS to change some of the Laws that Govern the VIN program.
Can you direct us to any legislation that is in the works?
Got details of what you're working on? 
If it has anything to do with intentional grey areas in rules to allow vinning reproduction bodies or rebodying cars it would be a tragedy.
You're in the business, how can one be certain repro vin bearing items (or fender tags) are not going to be fraudently utilized.
It does not take many bad apples to change production history.
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: JohnRR]
#889350
12/29/10 08:22 PM
12/29/10 08:22 PM
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,711
USA
ECS
David Walden
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David Walden
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,711
USA
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I'm having a hard time figuring ....
Sorry but I can't help you with that particular problem. 
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889353
12/29/10 08:42 PM
12/29/10 08:42 PM
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Posts: 18,157
Mass
DAYCLONA
I Live Here
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I Live Here
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: srt]
#889354
12/29/10 09:01 PM
12/29/10 09:01 PM
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Posts: 1,711
USA
ECS
David Walden
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David Walden
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USA
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Quote:
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.... We are currently working with the CIC and SCRS to change some of the Laws that Govern the VIN program.
Can you direct us to any legislation that is in the works?
Got details of what you're working on?
If it has anything to do with intentional grey areas in rules to allow vinning reproduction bodies or rebodying cars it would be a tragedy.
You're in the business, how can one be certain repro vin bearing items (or fender tags) are not going to be fraudently utilized.
It does not take many bad apples to change production history.
With all due respect, ECSVIN is far removed from all this "re-body" controversy. It doesn't even register on our radar. Our programs deal with the LATE MODEL newer vehicles and has nothing to do with the validation of older cars. We are involved in keeping counterfeiters from hurting or infiltrating the Collision industry. We do have access to information on every vehicle that was manufactured after 1955. We don't treat every person as a crook if they simply ask or inquire about certain information! We also do not tell people misleading information so WE can control the industry. The "verification guys" have been lying for YEARS about what people "can" or "can't" do with THEIR property; aka Cars. Isn't it funny that THEY are able to provide those "illegal" services for you (at a price) yet they have NO formal authority or legitimate "power" whatsoever? Self Ordained Dictators!!! This has been my ONLY point from the very beginning of this debate!
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889356
12/29/10 09:06 PM
12/29/10 09:06 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,004
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
I Win
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I Win
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Posts: 75,004
U.S.S.A.
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Quote:
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I'm having a hard time figuring ....
Sorry but I can't help you with that particular problem.
Well considering your posts are basically gibberish because you are talking out of your mouth and your backside only you will be able to help others decipher whether you are for or against FRAUD.
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: JohnRR]
#889357
12/29/10 09:11 PM
12/29/10 09:11 PM
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Posts: 253
Orange County, CA
Mike H
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enthusiast
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Orange County, CA
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Man, I had no idea this was such a righteous, law-abiding crowd!
But the volume of comments has made it difficult for me to remember who the good guys and bad guys are. Just to help me seperate the wheat from the chaff, could you no longer post to this topic if you have ever done any of the following;
cheated on your wife
lied to your boss
faked a time card
stolen from your employer
cheated on your taxes
cheated on a test in school
exaggerated a resume
fudged an expense report
I guess I could think of others, but this will be sufficient for this old codger to tell the cowboys from the indians.
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You can twist things anyway you want to justify the fact that you have no problem with people committing fraud for profit, you remind me of a certain dimwit from Airzona that spews the same drivel. quote]
Hey, I resent that! I DO NOT live in Arizona!
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: JohnRR]
#889359
12/29/10 09:17 PM
12/29/10 09:17 PM
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Posts: 1,711
USA
ECS
David Walden
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David Walden
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Posts: 1,711
USA
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Well considering your posts are basically gibberish because you are talking out of your mouth and your backside only you will be able to help others decipher whether you are for or against FRAUD.
Once again....which part of this sentence did you not understand? 
"I want to make something perfectly clear. Nowhere have I ever stated that criminal, deceptive or manipulative practices should be allowed in this Hobby or anywhere else!!"
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889360
12/29/10 09:49 PM
12/29/10 09:49 PM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,206
Someplace you aren't
SomeCarGuy
I Live Here
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I Live Here
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,206
Someplace you aren't
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Dave Walden is an asset to the hobby. Even if I don't agree w/ him or others. Barry Washington is an asset to the hobby. For better or worse. I love Mopars, taking a big block out in the middle of nowhere is the best stress reliever known to man. To each his own.  I'm done.
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: ECS]
#889361
12/29/10 09:53 PM
12/29/10 09:53 PM
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Posts: 249
Sonora, CA
68X426
enthusiast
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enthusiast
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Sonora, CA
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Well now call me confused. Are the Broadcast Sheets for sale? Not for sale? Because they sure are attractive, and being shown as though a sale might be pending. Disclosure: I don't know ECS, Barry, Govier. I know nobody. I ask because in the 4-24-2010 Broadcast Sheet thread there was a post from DLW4REAL, now ECS (Dave) that is relevant. Dave/DLW4REAL/ECS states that it took him three years of detailed effort to produce those sheets, at a cost of $22k. One sheet was then created to test Govier, without his knowledge. Others would use the description to trick, to fool, to trap, to dupe, or to fake out, but Dave/DLW4REAL/ECS used the word test. Test, because he felt challenged by GG seven years earlier. Result: Dave/DLW4REAL/ECS states he was completely successful in the test, GG was fooled and didn't know it until the public announcement on April 24. Now, after 7 years, $22,000 and 3 years of work, and a successful test, the sheets are being flashed (shown, posted, presented, bragged about, touted, advertised?, boasted, waved, teased or something). So, just to verify, they are not for sale? Or are they for sale? 
The 12 Scariest Words in the English Language:
We are here from the Government and
we want to help you.
1968 Plymouth Road Runner, Hemi and much more
1968 Dodge Charger, 318 and not much else
1958 Dodge Pick Up, 383 and loud
1966 Dodge Van, Slant 6 and cool
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Re: Fake fender tags
[Re: srt]
#889363
12/29/10 10:44 PM
12/29/10 10:44 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,753
Jefferson State
srt
ESYC
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ESYC
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,753
Jefferson State
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Quote:
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.... We are currently working with the CIC and SCRS to change some of the Laws that Govern the VIN program.
Can you direct us to any legislation that is in the works?
Got details of what you're working on?
If it has anything to do with intentional grey areas in rules to allow vinning reproduction bodies or rebodying cars it would be a tragedy.
You're in the business, how can one be certain repro vin bearing items (or fender tags) are not going to be fraudently utilized?
It does not take many bad apples to change production history.
Am I on your ignore list?
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