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when is a billet crank a must #887762 12/24/10 10:51 PM 12/24/10 10:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc E earthmover OP top fuel
earthmover OP top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	ok went out the visit my buddy thats going to build the 572 and would like to know just at what point is the billet crank a must????? also i got to see his new ride a yellow and black road runner thats perfect ..airgrabber hood that works inside is better then any new car i have seen oh yea its got a six pack....man what a nice ride...im not a b body guy but thats a nice ride..wish i could learn to post pic of my phone cause i took a few not the best shots but they work..anyway thanks mike

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: earthmover] #887763 12/24/10 10:57 PM 12/24/10 10:57 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	when your planning above 1500 hp i'd look at billet cranks. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: Performance Only] #887764 12/24/10 11:20 PM 12/24/10 11:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc E earthmover OP top fuel
earthmover OP top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	hey Dan he's only looking a 1000 or so not 1500 the plan is to put it in a full chasiss car (2000 something 2 door stratus) thats a the shop now getting work done to it...also a ford 9" rear... he would like to go in the 4's 1/8 mile but be able to make the 1/4 aswell..i dont know if he has got in touch with the builders on the board that i gave him info on but he said he will be makeing alot of calls and alot of ???????? thanks mike also i might add i got to look at his new world block ..man those things are nice..he said he had to run key way lifters they sould exspensive....but when you make hp you must make money lol Last edited by earthmover; 12/24/10 11:22 PM.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: earthmover] #887765 12/25/10 01:46 AM 12/25/10 01:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta. go green super stock
go green super stock Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta.	I have a forged Callies Magnum and I make "OK " power. Two years and the crank looks new and checks out. 1000Hp billet crank buyers are nothing but goldfish . I would not worry about a crank shaft , the power limiter is the World block. 6.50 @ 226 MPH 4.25 @ 186 MPH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX86DHGKBo0

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: go green] #887766 12/25/10 02:17 AM 12/25/10 02:17 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 614 Michigan G Get-X mopar
Get-X mopar G Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 614 Michigan	No way does he need a billet crank. Hell, people make 1000hp with Eagle cranks all the time and they seem to last ok. A Callies Magnum is a kick a$$ crank and will be more than enough for his hp level. '65 Belvedere '68 GTX '57 Dodge pickup

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: Get-X] #887767 12/25/10 09:09 AM 12/25/10 09:09 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Hell we ran Compstar crank & rods @ 900hp @ 7500rpm w/zero issues Rickster

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: go green] #887768 12/25/10 10:15 AM 12/25/10 10:15 AM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich ro23car super stock
ro23car super stock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich	Quote: I have a forged Callies Magnum and I make "OK " power. Two years and the crank looks new and checks out. 1000Hp billet crank buyers are nothing but goldfish . I would not worry about a crank shaft , the power limiter is the World block. why do you say that about the block?

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: ro23car] #887769 12/25/10 11:07 AM 12/25/10 11:07 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: Quote: I have a forged Callies Magnum and I make "OK " power. Two years and the crank looks new and checks out. 1000Hp billet crank buyers are nothing but goldfish . I would not worry about a crank shaft , the power limiter is the World block. why do you say that about the block? I think he is meaning the block will give out before the crank... Mopar Performance

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: moparniac] #887770 12/25/10 11:15 AM 12/25/10 11:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru domingo EL Master
domingo EL Master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru	Quote: Quote: Quote: I have a forged Callies Magnum and I make "OK " power. Two years and the crank looks new and checks out. 1000Hp billet crank buyers are nothing but goldfish . I would not worry about a crank shaft , the power limiter is the World block. why do you say that about the block? I think he is meaning the block will give out before the crank... the questio is WHY??? I though the World Cast Iron block was a stout block!

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: domingo] #887771 12/25/10 02:42 PM 12/25/10 02:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	A billet crank is only a must when you cannot get a forging in what you need. Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: Leon441] #887772 12/25/10 05:31 PM 12/25/10 05:31 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,446 NJ-USA H HPMike master
HPMike master H Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,446 NJ-USA	Quote: A billet crank is only a must when you cannot get a forging in what you need. Good answer

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: HPMike] #887773 12/25/10 05:37 PM 12/25/10 05:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc E earthmover OP top fuel
earthmover OP top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	So a crank that's machined and bal. Correct along with good machine work on the rest of the build will work. He's willing to buy the billet but would rather spend on other stuff that's needed.thanks mike Last edited by earthmover; 12/25/10 05:41 PM.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: HPMike] #887774 12/26/10 11:21 AM 12/26/10 11:21 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC L LSP pro stock
LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC	x3 - for reference, Al Hoffman ran forged cranks in his flopper, If he'd put one between his legs at over 5000hp, I think you'll be OK.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: earthmover] #887775 12/26/10 11:31 AM 12/26/10 11:31 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I got 2 billet cranks for only 1 reason... the price was right... both are SB 3.79 cranks

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: MR_P_BODY] #887776 12/26/10 11:45 AM 12/26/10 11:45 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO mopardamo pro stock
mopardamo pro stock Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO	Hello, I think they are a must when you are bench racin with a cheby lover. Damon

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: earthmover] #887777 12/26/10 12:50 PM 12/26/10 12:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 572 Shelbyville, TN USA 4 40ford mopar addict
40ford mopar addict 4 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 572 Shelbyville, TN USA	A cast crank is fine for many HP applications----but has definite limits. Why? Because they can't handle the flex under most higher HP race conditions. Forged cranks are much better for high HP use because they can handle crank flex but they too have limits depending on material, heat treating, etc. For about 99.9% of drag race applications, a good forged crank is fine. There are applications where a billet crank is necessary. For example: Very high HP oval track use where the engine is used as a brake. Very high RPMs-----above 9000RPM. Where very light crank weight is desired---like 36 lb. stroker small block cranks or 42 lb. BB cranks. I'm sure there are other applications---my mind is just blank right now.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: 40ford] #887778 12/26/10 01:08 PM 12/26/10 01:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Amarillo Texas B Brant member
Brant member B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Amarillo Texas	I make over 2000hp at the crank in my Camaro (I know this is a mopar site) and I run a Callies Magnum crank.. It's just a 4340 forging...

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: Brant] #887779 12/26/10 01:48 PM 12/26/10 01:48 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Just for the sake of kicking the bucket around... what does a billet crank cost in comparison to a forged unit?

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: ] #887780 12/26/10 02:02 PM 12/26/10 02:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City C camastomcat top fuel
camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	Eagle makes a forged 4340 crankshaft for around $895. Callies, Crower, Winberg all sell forged units from $2100-$2800. Billet crankshafts start around $3500 and are usually heavy, 70-80#'s.

Re: when is a billet crank a must [Re: go green] #887781 12/26/10 07:34 PM 12/26/10 07:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Quote: the power limiter is the World block. Only a hundred runs or so and my megablock shows cap walk at about 880 hp, and the block flex's in the valley badly not letting intake gaskets stay in place past ten runs or less! Hope the World blocks are better! 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

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