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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #886730
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They need to "lighten" up a bit on the NSS rules for carbs,,, ( im sure i'll get flamed for that )

I did buy some edelbrocks,,,that have been "tweaked" ,,, that will go on a new 540-572 someday,,,but until then,,,it's PRO class city with my "fast" holley...that the guy in the stands cant even see under my hood .. lol

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #886731
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They need to "lighten" up a bit on the NSS rules for carbs,,, ( im sure i'll get flamed for that )

I did buy some edelbrocks,,,that have been "tweaked" ,,, that will go on a new 540-572 someday,,,but until then,,,it's PRO class city with my "fast" holley...that the guy in the stands cant even see under my hood .. lol




hey doug how have you been? hope you and the familey have a merry christmas and a happy new year.

but on the carbs what all has been done to them? i am going to have to get something done to the carter carbs that i have on my tunnelram.right now they dont want to idle worth a dam untill the engine temp gets up to 120 degrees.thanks Mopar65


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #886732
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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?

9.0-9.25-9.5 are the classes you can run with holleys in most organizations.





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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886733
12/25/10 07:53 PM
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886734
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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?

9.0-9.25-9.5 are the classes you can run with holleys in most organizations.






jake wasnt corda runnin 10.0 with is dart?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886735
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #886736
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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?






ScottSmith, I have e-mailed the NSSNA and NMCA rules committees to try and get an answer to your question. Given the time of year with people on vacation and such, it might take a few days to get a reply.

You can always reach me at stillrock69@hotmail.com or (262) 547-0308

Bob Wilkiewicz,
Secretary and Communications Director, NSSNA


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886737
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car




"Carburetor (F/X Classes): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetors prohibited."

In Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator, regardless of make, if a racer chooses to run C/FX 9.75 or quicker, a Holley(s) 850 cfm or smaller is legal.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886738
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car




"Carburetor (F/X Classes): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetors prohibited."

In Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator, regardless of make, if a racer chooses to run C/FX 9.75 or quicker, a Holley(s) 850 cfm or smaller is legal.


so when al ran his 68 dart at 10.0 index he was legal with his xram carbs.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886739
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: muntz1] #886740
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You are right, 9.75 for holleys, 9.25 for a sheet metal intake. my bad.

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: nss guy] #886741
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886742
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What is the NSS's take on the tall scoop
on the hood? Allowed or no?


Phil Saran Parker, Colorado
Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886743
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
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All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: Phil Saran] #886744
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What is the NSS's take on the tall scoop
on the hood? Allowed or no?



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7.7 HOOD/SCOOP
HOOD/SCOOP (NSS CLASSES): Hoodscoops limited to OEM equipment or period style. Hood/scoop may be no higher than 5 inches. Pro Stock style scoops prohibited. The entire induction system must be completely covered by hood or scoop, which must be part of the vehicle hood.

HOOD/SCOOP (F/X CLASSES): Not required.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886745
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
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All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886746
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Who builds good eddy or carter race carburetors for cross ram engines
Any input or commits are appreciated




You could also talk with Ted or Glen at Opel Engineering, Streamwood, IL (Chicago area) - opelengineering.com


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886747
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



------------------------------------
ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
----------------------------------
All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.




Just to publically confirm, at the 2010 Dave Duell Nostalgia Super Stock Nationals (Monster Mopar) event, according to the tech sheet in my possesion with mine and his signatures (9/10/10), Corda ran a legal combination, a 1969 Dodge Dart in NSS/A 10.00 with an RB wedge, an Indy cross ram and two Edelbrock Performer carbs.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886748
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



------------------------------------
ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
----------------------------------
All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.




Just to publically confirm, at the 2010 Dave Duell Nostalgia Super Stock Nationals (Monster Mopar) event, according to the tech sheet in my possesion with mine and his signatures (9/10/10), Corda ran a legal combination, a 1969 Dodge Dart in NSS/A 10.00 with an RB wedge, an Indy cross ram and two Edelbrock Performer carbs.


ok my boo-boo thought he had a 68 but i really dont care about the carb issue.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886749
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I never really cared who ran what. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. I'm not sure any car that fits the class came with a double pumper during those years. Non long ram/cross ram 413/426/440 only ever had 1 carb. Not all Hemis had Holleys. Even though it is a index class if you want to run you need to have the correct parts to fit their rules. the national set of rules were laid out to try and preserve the original intent of the class. Though not perfect the numbers of cars and level of competition speek for themselves. I urge those who are interested to get what they need and come on out and run. A lot of fun and a great bunch of racers.
Doug

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