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Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: actionange] #886423
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These guys didn't have much luck on the chassis dyno




At the track he would have been in the wall on fire. So there you go another reason to use one.


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Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: TheOtherDodge] #886424
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411 rwhp.

They said a big converter like that will "hide" the true power numbers. I was told a tighter converter would show much bigger numbers on the dyno but could hurt et if I was not able to spool enough on the line.




The dyno software should have show you/them exactly where the converter was slipping and where it locked up


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Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: bigtimeauto] #886425
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Well I have new tires so that will be an issue for sure. Maybe I can find a set of 33x10.5's or soemthing to throw on there.

Thanks again for the info guys...


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Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: actionange] #886426
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These guys didn't have much luck on the chassis dyno...

http://www.streetfire.net/video/fail-900hp-dyno_2181566.htm




Those guys are idiots....

Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: bigtimeauto] #886427
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A dyno jet chassis dyno is a inertia dyno and thus measures power by rate of exceleration and engine RPM,(That is why you do the pull in high gear 1:1)




Any thoughts on the different of dynos and the type of tuning you can achieve.

The one with the 2 rollers (steady state?), I understand that you can hold a load at any given rpm and tune to that area

The one with the big roller (inertia?) would it extrapolate the data over the acceleration curve?

Are there benefits of one over the other
ie street/ strip (steady state)?
race car (inertia)
Carb versus Efi tuning?

I say tuning of an efi system on a 2 roller system dyno (street car) and there were able to hold load over a series of rpm ranges and adjust the timing/air-fuel for low to mid range and see immediate changes in #'s output.

This looked like a great system for a street strip car

Any thoughts?

Re: Chasis Dyno... [Re: Kam*Kuda] #886428
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A dyno jet chassis dyno is a inertia dyno and thus measures power by rate of exceleration and engine RPM,(That is why you do the pull in high gear 1:1)




Any thoughts on the different of dynos and the type of tuning you can achieve.

The one with the 2 rollers (steady state?), I understand that you can hold a load at any given rpm and tune to that area

The one with the big roller (inertia?) would it extrapolate the data over the acceleration curve?

Are there benefits of one over the other
ie street/ strip (steady state)?
race car (inertia)
Carb versus Efi tuning?

I say tuning of an efi system on a 2 roller system dyno (street car) and there were able to hold load over a series of rpm ranges and adjust the timing/air-fuel for low to mid range and see immediate changes in #'s output.

This looked like a great system for a street strip car

Any thoughts?





The dyno jet has a eddy brake that is how we do the steady stat efi tuning. Make sure you have a LOT of air flow to the radiator because they try and get hot quick!


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Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: Al_Alguire] #886429
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ya know AL I realy dont have faith in chassis dynos..I know I'll get flamed for what Im going to say but its thru experience that I have had..

one thing...who ever is going to do or does chassis dynoing had better know what they are doing...know the car first or whats in the engine like operating RPM...thats another key

we had the duster done when it had the 448 engine...we trusted the guy...were we wrong...he buzzed it up and said it was down on power from the year before...now how can this be...he changed jets and picked up some...then he adjusted the valves..and this is where it all went wrong..

he buzzed the engine so much...splitting my ear drums...like RPM I have never heard out of this engine...we were down on power so he popped the valve covers after he said he heard a noise inside while it was idleing...sure enough..spun bearings and now a slight vibration..

I pulled the engine to find a snapped rod and all sorts of internal damage...those were LY rods..told him they were...he buzzed that engine passed 8 grand...nice guy HUH??

I can see if the operator knows the engine or whats in it and knows how to tune...and has a good following..then I say fine...but I am still a firm believer on dynoing an engine after its been built to tune... and see how its all working together and to break it in...at least the bearings...and if its a flat tappet cam...

I know Im long here but that chassis dyno guy realy cost me a ton...and Im still Pissed..


Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886430
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ya know AL I realy dont have faith in chassis dynos..I know I'll get flamed for what Im going to say but its thru experience that I have had..

one thing...who ever is going to do or does chassis dynoing had better know what they are doing...know the car first or whats in the engine like operating RPM...thats another key

we had the duster done when it had the 448 engine...we trusted the guy...were we wrong...he buzzed it up and said it was down on power from the year before...now how can this be...he changed jets and picked up some...then he adjusted the valves..and this is where it all went wrong..

he buzzed the engine so much...splitting my ear drums...like RPM I have never heard out of this engine...we were down on power so he popped the valve covers after he said he heard a noise inside while it was idleing...sure enough..spun bearings and now a slight vibration..

I pulled the engine to find a snapped rod and all sorts of internal damage...those were LY rods..told him they were...he buzzed that engine passed 8 grand...nice guy HUH??

I can see if the operator knows the engine or whats in it and knows how to tune...and has a good following..then I say fine...but I am still a firm believer on dynoing an engine after its been built to tune... and see how its all working together and to break it in...at least the bearings...and if its a flat tappet cam...

I know Im long here but that chassis dyno guy realy cost me a ton...and Im still Pissed..






Sorry to hear your bad incident...but I have always been the one in the car...doing what I feel needs to be done....I have always been friends with the dyno owners and they trust me to run the show...when I was on my buds mustang dyno the other month I spent about an hour just cleaning up the VE graph before I ever even let the motor up enough to make boost....

IMO the chasis dyno is a great tool to get a new combo worked out before looking like a dumbbutt out on the track.

I'll be going back next week I hope with the new megasquirt controlling the motor this time.


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Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886431
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ya know AL I realy dont have faith in chassis dynos..I know I'll get flamed for what Im going to say but its thru experience that I have had..

one thing...who ever is going to do or does chassis dynoing had better know what they are doing...know the car first or whats in the engine like operating RPM...thats another key

we had the duster done when it had the 448 engine...we trusted the guy...were we wrong...he buzzed it up and said it was down on power from the year before...now how can this be...he changed jets and picked up some...then he adjusted the valves..and this is where it all went wrong..

he buzzed the engine so much...splitting my ear drums...like RPM I have never heard out of this engine...we were down on power so he popped the valve covers after he said he heard a noise inside while it was idleing...sure enough..spun bearings and now a slight vibration..

I pulled the engine to find a snapped rod and all sorts of internal damage...those were LY rods..told him they were...he buzzed that engine passed 8 grand...nice guy HUH??

I can see if the operator knows the engine or whats in it and knows how to tune...and has a good following..then I say fine...but I am still a firm believer on dynoing an engine after its been built to tune... and see how its all working together and to break it in...at least the bearings...and if its a flat tappet cam...

I know Im long here but that chassis dyno guy realy cost me a ton...and Im still Pissed..






I've only been on a chassis dyno once and after it
was strapped down and the sensors were in place...
the first thing out of the operators mouth was....
what do you want to turn it to

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #886432
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the time i did it i was sitting in the car controling the rpm,s

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: bonefish] #886433
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the time i did it i was sitting in the car controling the rpm,s




I forgot I did it twice... once on the Woodward cruise...
they asked if I would display and run on the dyno...
in that one I was behind the wheel... but the second
time a operator ran it with me standing there

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886434
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ya know AL I realy dont have faith in chassis dynos..

he buzzed the engine so much...
I pulled the engine to find a snapped rod and all sorts of internal damage...those were LY rods..told him they were...he buzzed that engine passed 8 grand...nice guy HUH??





C'mon now, you had bad operator not the dynos fault!


First question is always what's done to the engine and how high do you want to take it. If its a new tune we always do pulls in 500rpm steps after 6K to see where it falls off without going past. As for where they make HP you can tell when the car isn't making power and you should pull your foot out of it.


Maybe this topic should have been titled *Chassis Dyno operators!*


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Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: bigtimeauto] #886435
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ya know AL I realy dont have faith in chassis dynos..

he buzzed the engine so much...
I pulled the engine to find a snapped rod and all sorts of internal damage...those were LY rods..told him they were...he buzzed that engine passed 8 grand...nice guy HUH??





C'mon now, you had bad operator not the dynos fault!


First question is always what's done to the engine and how high do you want to take it. If its a new tune we always do pulls in 500rpm steps after 6K to see where it falls off without going past. As for where they make HP you can tell when the car isn't making power and you should pull your foot out of it.


Maybe this topic should have been titled *Chassis Dyno operators!*




good point...

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886436
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I think we all know Al's sharp enough to be the one in the car. My Dyno operator asked ME what RPMs I wanted to go to on every pull and I kept my eyes glued to the tach. As soon as the HP started dropping off he'd wave for me to shut it down.

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the guy that did mine was a very arrogant owner/operator...I even told him that I would like to be in the car..he wouldnt hear of it..said insurance reasons..

I know AL would never let that happen..

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886438
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Most chassis dyno guys will let you be the one in the car.....that way if anything breaks, it's on you.

I'd be pissed if they buzzed mine to 8K too...but thats why I don't let anyone else do it...but I would let my brother (on his dyno).

Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: smokinwoody] #886439
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the guy that did mine was a very arrogant owner/operator...I even told him that I would like to be in the car..he wouldnt hear of it..said insurance reasons..

I know AL would never let that happen..




then my next question would be "does YOUR insurance cover MY vehicle when it breaks on YOUR dyno when YOU'RE sitting in the driver seat?"


When I went to the engine dyno, he spun it till the power dropped off, but that was right at 6K. even stock parts should be good to 6K, I would imagine he would have asked what rods I had, piston weights, etc. had the motor kept pulling through 6500 rpm.


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Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: 70Cuda383] #886440
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Well 8K will not be an issue. Last time on the dyno it was spun to 8500. All out I shift at 8300 Oh yeah if I cannot be in the seat it will NOT happen period. I went by my local shop yesterday and they are closed forthe week. So will go back next week and see whats up. Does not look like the weather will cooperate for this weekend either


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Re: Chassis Dyno... [Re: Al_Alguire] #886441
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