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Help me decide how to build this race project
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Soooo .. I have this little Valiant wagon, I want it to be a semi-budget build and a drive to the track most often kind of thing ( thats the idea anyway) I live awful close to the track and loading up the Belvedere to go 15 miles is a PITA My closest /current race buddy has a fast S-10 truck that he gives me little to no heads up he is heading to the track for TNT and, well .. I just go over and watch instead of fighting to load the car ( should buy another open trailer to ease the loading operation) And, locally here , we have these vintage races where they do not allow anything with "BLING" to participate .. frankly, the tracks they run them at are well ---> short ! The car 
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 10:36 PM
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How do you tell the difference between Your girlfriend Your wife A hooker ? Girlfriend says , are you done already ? A hooker says, are you not done yet ? And a wife says Beige, I think I'll paint the ceiling beige 
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 10:42 PM
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A B motor fits in there easier than a small block. Trans fits on the original ctossmember. (built a 62 Lancer) The Golden Lancer Drove it on the street and it ran 10:40 all day long nothing special . was a 470 with a set of sr heads and a small roller in it with 4:30 gear and 727 Should of kept it Its in Carlsbad Calif. now
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 10:44 PM
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Last edited by Cab_Burge; 12/18/10 10:51 PM.
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 10:46 PM
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A B motor fits in there easier than a small block. Trans fits on the original ctossmember. (built a 62 Lancer) The Golden Lancer Drove it on the street and it ran 10:40 all day long nothing special . was a 470 with a set of sr heads and a small roller in it with 4:30 gear and 727 Should of kept it Its in Carlsbad Calif. now
So, you are saying a B engine is smaller than a LA ?
<--- Never measured that ?
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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Yours is a little newer but AJ installed a V12 Allison back in the day, you have to at least equal or top that.
Sheldon
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 10:53 PM
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Keep it looking just like it does and put a turbo small block in it 
Thats idea #3
But , I would clean the body up some , got too it would drive me nuts all beat up
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 11:23 PM
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Low deck stroker, tunnel ram, white fenderwell headers, 4spd, straight axle....now get to work
Cool, kinda --- but,,, no
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 11:39 PM
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 11:52 PM
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I drug this one out of a local junkyard and gave Don the 2 door plan
He's up my way here
How quick do you need to be to slip past your buddies
S-10.... will you need a roll bar or chassis...
start from that point... then determine what you
will need for a engine...for a trans I'm going with
a 518 OD but without the lock up and using one of
my race 8" converters... that way I get get the revs
down on the road but still have a launch
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/18/10 11:56 PM
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I can't catch the S-10 Its a SBC 434 with a 300 shot Runs 5.80's But, I hate going to the track by myself so I only like to go when someone else is there
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 12:14 AM
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I can't catch the S-10
Its a SBC 434 with a 300 shot
Runs 5.80's
But, I hate going to the track by myself so I only like to go when someone else is there
Ask him to turn the bottle off then you guys can run...
I myself am building to go 10.2 - 10.3 and drive it
on the road... whats the weight on that... I use to
have one back when I was in school(was a /6 but I
put a 273 in it) but I dont recall the weight... I
want to say 3000
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 12:22 AM
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I can't catch the S-10
Its a SBC 434 with a 300 shot
Runs 5.80's
But, I hate going to the track by myself so I only like to go when someone else is there
Ask him to turn the bottle off then you guys can run...
I myself am building to go 10.2 - 10.3 and drive it
on the road... whats the weight on that... I use to
have one back when I was in school(was a /6 but I
put a 273 in it) but I dont recall the weight... I
want to say 3000
The 64 can handle him without the gas , its(S-10) a turd on motor
No, for this car is a simple kind of street car with a little bite
Like I said, some of the places the Vintage guys run well ..
Whooooooaaaaaa !!!!
No shut down , can't and dont want anything that fast
Just a toy , mostly chebbies at these things
55, 57's
Model A's with Lumps for motors, etc
heads up , fun runs
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 12:39 AM
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 12:51 AM
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Bingo, looked for it could not find it
But, two things
It destroys the sleeper idea
and driving it to and from the track
well ... 
The idea is to drive it there, not all the time but some of the time
So, I'm torn
I'd love to make a tribute car
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 02:41 AM
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Go tribute way but maybe kinda in the way of the fast guys. Stock looking small block maybe even with a set of 273 finned valve covers. motor painted red. ten inch tires on steelies. gotta be white though. forget the gas bottle too.
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 07:21 AM
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I can't catch the S-10
Its a SBC 434 with a 300 shot
Runs 5.80's
But, I hate going to the track by myself so I only like to go when someone else is there
Ask him to turn the bottle off then you guys can run...
I myself am building to go 10.2 - 10.3 and drive it
on the road... whats the weight on that... I use to
have one back when I was in school(was a /6 but I
put a 273 in it) but I dont recall the weight... I
want to say 3000
Go small block turbo,all he will see is your
tail lights  
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 10:40 AM
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For a 11.50 and up ride, I would go with frame connectors, ladder bars to make full use of stock wheel wells. Will have to set the rear axle back about 3/4 inch.
Front would get a home made rack and pinion, coil over/spring combo with pass side shock tower layed over to fit TTI 67 up bb a body under chassis headers. I don't know if going with the rack and dumping the torsion bars give enough room for the headers, but plan to find out in the future. Those two moves open up a ton of space combined with a little shock tower surgery. The plan would be minimal shock tower move to keep the stock appearance theme as much as possible. Motor would be a 512 BB low deck, Indy dual plane with a juice cam and eddy heads. If you go conservative on the cam, it should stay in the mid elevens and idle like a kitten. Want more? Roll bar, head porting , looser converter and a big flat tappet and you are running 10.s Want 9.s? dump the dual plane for an x type intake, cage /dominater/roller.
Another route would be a hotter motor, no roll bar but a throttle stop to keep you at 11.50, but a mean mph!
Last edited by gregsdart; 12/19/10 10:43 AM.
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 11:06 AM
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 12:20 PM
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here's another shot.
That picture made me smile
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 07:18 PM
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maybe a new hemi with turbo and a 518 trans, I guess the motor could be close to stock and still make a LOT of power, but I don t know anything about these motors, just what I ve seen here... and I really like your car
-65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/19/10 09:20 PM
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Whatever you do, don't paint it.....SILVER!
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Re: Help me decide how to build this race project
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12/21/10 04:36 PM
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Keep it the sleaper look for stealth mode. Put in a moderate stroker smallblock making it run high 10's / low 11's. Just make sure you install a towbar to bring you real racecar to the track
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everybody knows that they came with 273 C.I L.A. motor, all of my motors are smaller C.I. when it comes to racing, especially buddys cars 
