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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: ProSport] #875006
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Scoop/pan design, air pressure and flow do weird things. A friend had a '65 Satellite with a carb pan sealed '65 scoop on it. Car had some inconsistency issues and threw a real curve ball once in a while. He cut away some of the seal, made vents, and the car was a lot more consistent. Can't recall if it picked up also.

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: dannysbee] #875007
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This is a nice set up for a cowl hood. Sealed cool air from grille area and hot air from engine exits cowl. I like it.




mine won't look that nice but it will be sealed to the hood. An probably won't be a "ram-air" type.

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Locomotion] #875008
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Scoop/pan design, air pressure and flow do weird things. A friend had a '65 Satellite with a carb pan sealed '65 scoop on it. Car had some inconsistency issues and threw a real curve ball once in a while. He cut away some of the seal, made vents, and the car was a lot more consistent. Can't recall if it picked up also.


That`s my point.........lots of fuel splash on carb top and although it does respond to jetting, 98`s in the rear and 84`s up ft. w/a pv seems excessive to me AND others. After talking w/Mike we thaught it would be good to even extend what I have now and see if the wide band responds. I also thaught about drilling holes in the back of the scoop to release air.......something just don`t seem right and your buddy proved it by venting his. Thankxxxx guy`s.


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875009
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unseal your carb from the hood and put a plug in your scoop


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875010
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Scoop/pan design, air pressure and flow do weird things. A friend had a '65 Satellite with a carb pan sealed '65 scoop on it. Car had some inconsistency issues and threw a real curve ball once in a while. He cut away some of the seal, made vents, and the car was a lot more consistent. Can't recall if it picked up also.


That`s my point.........lots of fuel splash on carb top and although it does respond to jetting, 98`s in the rear and 84`s up ft. w/a pv seems excessive to me AND others. After talking w/Mike we thaught it would be good to even extend what I have now and see if the wide band responds. I also thaught about drilling holes in the back of the scoop to release air.......something just don`t seem right and your buddy proved it by venting his. Thankxxxx guy`s.



Maybe its your air filter sticking up into the scoop and directly into the incoming air, creating a siphon on the bowl vents, maybe try a half round deflector on the front part of the air filter

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875011
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lots of fuel splash on carb top and although it does respond to jetting, 98`s in the rear and 84`s up ft. w/a pv seems excessive to me AND others.



what carb are you running & any chance you could post a pic of your set up with the filter top removed?

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Mr.Yuck] #875012
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This is a nice set up for a cowl hood. Sealed cool air from grille area and hot air from engine exits cowl. I like it.




mine won't look that nice but it will be sealed to the hood. An probably won't be a "ram-air" type.





My set-up with cowl hood. I can run a 16" K&N air filter with it.


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: CHAPPER] #875013
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My set-up with cowl hood. I can run a 16" K&N air filter with it.


you ever run with it off and did it lose et

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: all spooled up] #875014
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My set-up with cowl hood. I can run a 16" K&N air filter with it.


you ever run with it off and did it lose et




I have never ran it without an air filter, will try next spring.


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: ademon] #875015
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Scoop/pan design, air pressure and flow do weird things. A friend had a '65 Satellite with a carb pan sealed '65 scoop on it. Car had some inconsistency issues and threw a real curve ball once in a while. He cut away some of the seal, made vents, and the car was a lot more consistent. Can't recall if it picked up also.


That`s my point.........lots of fuel splash on carb top and although it does respond to jetting, 98`s in the rear and 84`s up ft. w/a pv seems excessive to me AND others. After talking w/Mike we thaught it would be good to even extend what I have now and see if the wide band responds. I also thaught about drilling holes in the back of the scoop to release air.......something just don`t seem right and your buddy proved it by venting his. Thankxxxx guy`s.



Maybe its your air filter sticking up into the scoop and directly into the incoming air, creating a siphon on the bowl vents, maybe try a half round deflector on the front part of the air filter


I could try that and see what`s up I guess.............rebel, I`ll have my friend shoot a couple of photos and see if I can post em. Thankxx guys............if I can make this set-up work that would be ideal.


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: rebel] #875016
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lots of fuel splash on carb top and although it does respond to jetting, 98`s in the rear and 84`s up ft. w/a pv seems excessive to me AND others.



what carb are you running & any chance you could post a pic of your set up with the filter top removed?


I`m running a single 8082-3 hp 1050 dominator.............


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Locomotion] #875017
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I remember speaking to John Bauman when he was the one doing the testing on the snorkel. Chrysler was very specific
as where to place the carbs in relationship to the scoop in differet areas. Much had to do with maintaining fuel flow as well as ram air



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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: HEMIFRED] #875018
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I`ve always liked those scoops but not sure about the law in terms of blocking my vision....


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875019
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I'll add this. I make alot of lexan boxes for hood scoops and we just cut a square hole in the cowl hood and let the lexan box hang out. prob 5 yrs ago when we made the 1st one it was sealed off on 5 sides front only open obviously. you could make a pass and I could see gas like it was floating/pulling out of the carb floating in the box abouve the carb. Drilled 4- 1/2 inch holes in the back of the scoop. Never done it again. don't ask me why. Just my experience.

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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: sdaurity] #875020
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I to have seen this even w/lexan grill block-off`s where the holes released unwanted air/pressure and the cars picked up. As mentioned, maybe I should "unseal" it from the hood and try that but I`d swear it is quicker sealed.


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875021
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Try a 12 inch long piece of duct tape on the front of the k&n facing forward and a k&n filter top

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: emarine01] #875022
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Try a 12 inch long piece of duct tape on the front of the k&n facing forward and a k&n filter top


That`s what someone else recommended and it`s on my list of "to do`s" as soon as I finish up my car work along w/installing a new polished cell my friend bought me for christmas. I thaught about doing what LabRatt did w/the k&n lid receiving air THROUGH the top of my scoop but once I do that, I`m committed.............


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Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875023
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You are getting a lot of air turbulence at the top opening of the scoop. The carb will not function in all that pressure and turbulent air. The air must enter the carb as smooth and straight as possible to properly mix the gas and air. There is a lot of turbulent air coming off the hood and into the large open scoop. If you cannot use a taller scoop, then the the "thunder bolt" air intake system should work. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Hood scoops/cold air induction solutions............... [Re: Thumperdart] #875024
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Not sure if thjis will help, but I have experienced similar issues and found that a stub-stack solved the problem. We basically determined that different signals were being given to the carb at the bleeds due to whatever was happeing with the air in that compressed space at speed..the snub stack helped quite a bit...as a note we experienced this when the carbs were very close to the scoop...worst case it is a cheap experiment..as an alternative, open the back of the scoop ( drill holes / rais rear of hood etc.) allowing for a clean flow of air over the carb...maybe due both...


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