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Three Elephants in a Chicken House #87483
07/12/08 12:23 PM
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My Mom in-law is wanting to clean out the old chicken house that is falling in. Lookie what's in the back corner. Not sure how we're gonna get them out though...

I don't know too much about early Hemis. Any good sources/sites for info? Looking for the usual...casting numbers, how to I tell what year and displacement, etc.

They've all been sitting for a while, but 2 of them are still bolted together. The one with the six carbs (Stombergs?) looks interesting.

Any input? What do I do whith them???

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1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 383 A4
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 440 FC7 (sold)
Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87484
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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87485
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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87486
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You have quite the find there. Go to Hot Heads web site there is ID info there and also you can get an idea of what they are selling for on there swap meet, There is a number stamped just in front of the lifter valley cover which would tell you what you have there. The six carb manifolds are worth good money as well as the chrysler engines with the 354 and 392 the most desirable engines.

Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: black64] #87487
07/12/08 01:26 PM
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The Chrysler Firepower valve covers should only be on the 354/392's, so one of those for sure is quite desireable. I couldn't tell with the others...

Good find!


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: 4speeds4me] #87488
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goodfind ! make sure those get outa there and into your garage !

Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: moparx] #87489
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An interesting book, if you can find a copy, is "Tex Smith's The Complete Chrysler Hemi Engine Manual" by Ron Ceridono. The copy I have was reprinted in 2004 so it should be around easily.
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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: shinnery] #87490
07/13/08 10:59 AM
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performance automotive warehouse aka PAW sells alot of early hemi parts as well.

id them first through hot heads ... or http://www.geocities.com/dodgedifferent2/hemiid.html

also www.thehemi.com another great forum for hemi information .. new and old and things in between

Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: dodgedifferent2] #87491
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did 331's get chrysler firepower covers also?just asking,as i had always just assumed,i guess.

Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: bbtrux] #87492
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I got to thinking afterwards that the 331's probably did too...


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: 4speeds4me] #87493
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my biggest question is...how did your mother-in-law have 3 hemi's in her chicken coop, and you didn't know about it until just now? or did you just get married? I'm picturing you as someone who's been married for 5-10, maybe even 15 years already, and mom-in-law is getting old and started asking questions about getting the place cleaned up now that she's getting older, in preparation of moving into a retirement home.

I know exactly what my mother in law has at her house, and while it's not a Mopar, it's definitly a desireable vehicle!


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: 70Cuda383] #87494
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my biggest question is...how did your mother-in-law have 3 hemi's in her chicken coop, and you didn't know about it until just now?




OK, you got me! I've known they were in there for some time, but I was never really able to get back to them due to many generations of accumulated farm "stuff" that was piled in front/on top of them. But recently the ancient roof has started to fall in, so any thing of value has to come out soon. (Trust me, the three Hemis are about the only things of value in the whole building.)

That, and I was not really in a big hurry to get them out since I still really know what I'm gonna do with them.

Anyway, here's the decodes for those who are interested:

#1 C542-8-33831 is a 331 from a (late) 1954 New Yorker. It cam with the 4bbl and 7.5:1. It does NOT have the cast-in bell.

#2 C52-8-3043 is a 331 from a 1952 Chrysler. It origially had a 2bbl but now has the 6 Strombergs and twin-log manifold. It does have the cast-in bell though.

#3 NE 5520697 is a 331 from a 1955 New Yorker. It originally had a 4bbl and had the higher 8.5:1 compression. This one's in pieces, though and is a little rougher.

Thanks for all your help!!!


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87495
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Sell them to me!!


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: mopowertim] #87496
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The later engines are more valuable but the early 331 with the cast-on doghouse can adapt to a 4-speed with a Wilcap (i think) adapter. The early engine doesn't have as good of heads as the later two but who knows that? Around here you'd be asking $500 for the doghouse and $750 for the 4-barrel, $1250 for the "hot rod".
That's my guess. It's quite a find and I hope you have a heavy duty trailer or truck. GET THEM OUT OF THERE as fast as you can.

R.

Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: dogdays] #87497
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I wouldn't mine finding more early Hemi's like that. That would to cool.


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Re: Three Elephants in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87498
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That, and I was not really in a big hurry to get them out since I still really know what I'm gonna do with them. ...




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Updated: Three Whales in a Chicken House [Re: thecarfarmer] #87499
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OK, I know it's been a while since I updated this thread, but the family and I finally got back to the farm to do some more cleaning up.

I climbed in through a window to pull off the top-end stuff (carbs, intakes, distributors) in case something falls on the motors when we are pulling them out.

The motor with the 6 carbs is very interesting--it is a Offenhauser 4062 model manifold. It's in 2 halves which are connected by 2 rubber hoses and hose clamps. I've not seen one like it.

The carbs have a "Holley 2100" marking on them, and also a "94" cast into them. One of the carbs is identical to the others but has a "Ford" cast in where the "Holley 2100" is on the other carbs. Unfortunately, 1 of the 6 is missing. I will dig around some more.

The funny part came in when I pulled the carbs off, the 4 corner carbs had been blocked off by a previous owner--he had cut up some old Falstaff beer cans and sandwiched them between the carbs and intake on all but the center 2 carbs. Also, the linkage was only connected to the center 2.

I guess the power was too much for him!!!

We're doing some more work today--I will update (hopefully with pics) later.


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Re: Updated: Three Whales in a Chicken House [Re: wingman] #87500
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The 94s were what ford used on the Flathead. Everyone wants the 97s though. Alot of people block off most of the carbs on a multiple setup from what Ive seen. Its more eye apeal for most and the fact that most dont have the skills to tune them.

Re: Updated: Three Whales in a Chicken House [Re: 76dodgeboy] #87501
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That is a heckova find!!! WOW!!

Re: Updated: Three Whales in a Chicken House [Re: rabid scott] #87502
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