Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: ahy]
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12/06/10 10:17 PM
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I've seen a lot less than .250 in the major thrust without any trouble. Those sonic numbers seem crazy good to me.
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
#873198
12/06/10 10:25 PM
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sonic checking showed i have a good standard bore 400 block(.369top,.374middle,.376bottom). all bores read the same. how many thou needs to be left in cylinder wall after being bored as a minumum? thinking about boring.060 to clean up enough,but would like some left for future use. thanks
That is a exceptional block The best 400 block I've seen(12 to 15 only) had no more than .250 thick in the major thrust side and then had less than .190 on the minor thrust sides, some as thin as .120 If you decide to sleeve the bad cylinder in your old block ask the shop to use a ductile iron sleeve, have them install it before doing any other work and then pressure test the block on the side that has the sleeve before doing any thing else to the block Don't ask why I'm suggesting that If your machine shop does not know how to install a sleeve in a block without distorting the cylinder walls next to the sleeved cylinder have them bore it to the next oversize you can get piston rings for after installing the new sleeve
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
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12/07/10 12:41 AM
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Id be very suspect of those numbers. Especially when you state all bores the Same
I doubt the accuracy and usefulness of the numbers you were given. Sorry.
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
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12/07/10 12:49 AM
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Id be very suspect of those numbers. Especially when you state all bores the Same
I doubt the accuracy and usefulness of the numbers you were given. Sorry.
X3
Silly question: Is there heavy scale in the jackets? Was the block tanked/scaled before measuring?
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/07/10 01:06 AM
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Those are some SUPER good numbers... I would take it to another shop to have it tested... the guy I take my blocks to gives me a PILE FULL of numbers, 64 readings per cylinder for $70... I have never heard of cyl being that equal... would be nice if it is
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/07/10 01:26 AM
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the block has not been tanked yet. wanted to get it mag'ed and sonic checked first.
If there is scale build-up you'll get inaccurate readings...
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/07/10 01:29 AM
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No way one bank of cylinders mirror the other. I would take those figures with a grain of salt.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/07/10 01:54 AM
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its either the same or he only measured the thrust side,but what would it matter. would'nt the thrust side be more important anyway?
Dave, The thrust side may be more important, but if the non-thrust side is .080" it doesn't matter how thick the thrust side is, you can split a cylinder just as easily....... don't ask me how I know.....
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/07/10 09:39 PM
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While Mike/MR Pbody gets 74 readings per cyl. I think 12 per cyl is fine 4 top/ 4 mid /4 bottom, but more is even nicer. But 74 per cyl Mike, Give us a pic of Those reads mike
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
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12/08/10 02:38 AM
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I check each cylinder in 12 places, one inch down(and away from any head bolt bosses), halfway down of the stroke and one to two inches up from the bottom of the cylinders. this is on all four corners, camside, front, back and outside of block (motor mount side). I have seen some shops use the average method, one reading per side sliding the probe from top to bottom of the cylinder and then give you the thinnest reading, but I don't like that method so I do it the long, hard way
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
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12/08/10 06:40 AM
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Has anyone ever noticed, that #1 cylinder on a B or RB always seems to be the thinnest, at least on the blocks I've had done through the years? I've only done half a dozen or so but just curious if anyone else has run into that.
Yes, Ronny, I have tested some, and it seems that #1 is thin on the thrust side, and number 8 is thin on the other side, it sees to be a pattern on the blocks that I have measured. The other cylinders seem to be more even. Could be a consequence of the way the cores are placed by some sort of machine? (I do not know the process).I better go with alublock and machined sleeves...(LOL)
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
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12/08/10 11:04 AM
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Dave please let us know how it turns out.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: max overbore on a 72 400 block
[Re: mopar dave]
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12/08/10 03:29 PM
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i'm hoping to get some accurate numbers from MM next week.
Tell them you're going to publish the results on Moparts. That might prod them into giving you good service. They have a reputation to repair.
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