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70 A-body factory disc brake pressures #871682
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I am changing my rear brakes to strange discs and wondered what is the factory pressure to the rear wheels? I seem to recall that there is a small block/proportioning valve on the line running to the rear brakes just after the other block.

Does the Wilwood or Strange adjustable usually replace that little block?


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: W5Duster436] #871683
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Anybody know what this little block does to the pressure? Do I need to put the adjustable Wilwood/Strange valve in it's place?


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: W5Duster436] #871684
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Bump - good question

Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: Pat7272] #871685
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IM PRETTY SURE THE BLOCK DOES NOTHING for pressure, it is not a prop valve.....

it is more a safety device and distribution block., DO NOT remove it though....
there is a small piston/spring in there that will slide over if a line breaks, effectively blocking off the leak and keeps your braking at one end of the car,


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: n20mstr] #871686
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So i would put the adjustable regulator in the line after this little block closer to the rear brakes?

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IM PRETTY SURE THE BLOCK DOES NOTHING for pressure, it is not a prop valve.....

it is more a safety device and distribution block., DO NOT remove it though....
there is a small piston/spring in there that will slide over if a line breaks, effectively blocking off the leak and keeps your braking at one end of the car,




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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: W5Duster436] #871687
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yes if you want to decrease the pressure to the rear brakes, put the prop valve in the line going to the rear thats all. I would leave the factory dist block as it is a great safety device, All to often you see people discard them


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: W5Duster436] #871688
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Will you be running large tires on the rear and is
this race only... will you have skinnies in front

Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: MR_P_BODY] #871689
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if its a drag car you might want to put the adjustable proportioning valve on the front brakes.
the correct question here is what master cylinder are you using and whats its proportioning?


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: bigtimeauto] #871690
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if its a drag car you might want to put the adjustable proportioning valve on the front brakes.
the correct question here is what master cylinder are you using and whats its proportioning?




Yep... you cant expect the skinny fronts to do the
work like a stock tire car

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Quote:

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if its a drag car you might want to put the adjustable proportioning valve on the front brakes.
the correct question here is what master cylinder are you using and whats its proportioning?




Yep... you cant expect the skinny fronts to do the
work like a stock tire car






Funny how many drag cars have adjustable prop valves in the rear line and how many people believe the distribution block is a prop block.


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: MR_P_BODY] #871692
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Will you be running large tires on the rear and is
this race only... will you have skinnies in front





Street driven car. 275/60 ET's in the rear and MT front runners up front. Wilwoods will be in front but went with strange drag discs in rear.


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: bigtimeauto] #871693
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if its a drag car you might want to put the adjustable proportioning valve on the front brakes.
the correct question here is what master cylinder are you using and whats its proportioning?




Street car. Right now has the factory disc MC installed. Will I need to get one of the MC's from Rick E that he has listed?


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Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: W5Duster436] #871694
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Jegs sells a prop block that also controls front to rear bias.That what i used.

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Quote:

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if its a drag car you might want to put the adjustable proportioning valve on the front brakes.
the correct question here is what master cylinder are you using and whats its proportioning?




Yep... you cant expect the skinny fronts to do the
work like a stock tire car






Funny how many drag cars have adjustable prop valves in the rear line and how many people believe the distribution block is a prop block.




I thought on an original drum brake car, that it was just a distribution block, but on a factory disc brake car it was a combo distribution valve, prop valve / safety switch...with the proportioning set at the factory.

Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: n20mstr] #871696
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it is more a safety device and distribution block., DO NOT remove it though....
there is a small piston/spring in there that will slide over if a line breaks, effectively blocking off the leak and keeps your braking at one end of the car,




This has NOTHING to do with safety, the only thing that keeps your braking at one end of the car is the dual circuit (mandatory since 1967).

On a disc/drum car, the OEM block is a combination valve.
It does include a prop valve in the rear line (although it's not adjustable and it's the same for all cars, A- to C-bodies - some cars must have a less-than-ideal bias).
It also triggers the dash light if there's a significant pressure difference in the front and rear circuits (i.e. if one line is cut or has a severe leak).
But its most significant action is metering : it delays the pressure rise in the front to give rear drums enough time to overcome the shoe springs. Not a feature you want with 4 discs (or 4 drums).

The dash light itself is pretty useless, you'll know instantly if there's a problem without that light in the dash (you'll get this "Oh Sh*t!" feeling when the pedal goes down easier than usual and you don't slow down as expected, and you'll guess just what went wrong without the light).

For your application (disc/disc), you should remove the combination valve, the metering action is useless to you.

If you get the big distribution block from Jeg's someone talked about above, you can replace it with this, it has one input and two outputs for front brakes, you won't need anything else.
If you get a simple one input/one output prop valve (Wilwood, Mopar Perf), you'll need a brass "T" for the front lines.

Re: 70 A-body factory disc brake pressures [Re: fbernard] #871697
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Okay, so I have to remove the large block and the small block going to the back lines. What about my stock master cylinder? Should I really replace it as well with the mopar performance one?


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it is more a safety device and distribution block., DO NOT remove it though....
there is a small piston/spring in there that will slide over if a line breaks, effectively blocking off the leak and keeps your braking at one end of the car,




This has NOTHING to do with safety, the only thing that keeps your braking at one end of the car is the dual circuit (mandatory since 1967).

On a disc/drum car, the OEM block is a combination valve.
It does include a prop valve in the rear line (although it's not adjustable and it's the same for all cars, A- to C-bodies - some cars must have a less-than-ideal bias).
It also triggers the dash light if there's a significant pressure difference in the front and rear circuits (i.e. if one line is cut or has a severe leak).
But its most significant action is metering : it delays the pressure rise in the front to give rear drums enough time to overcome the shoe springs. Not a feature you want with 4 discs (or 4 drums).

The dash light itself is pretty useless, you'll know instantly if there's a problem without that light in the dash (you'll get this "Oh Sh*t!" feeling when the pedal goes down easier than usual and you don't slow down as expected, and you'll guess just what went wrong without the light).

For your application (disc/disc), you should remove the combination valve, the metering action is useless to you.

If you get the big distribution block from Jeg's someone talked about above, you can replace it with this, it has one input and two outputs for front brakes, you won't need anything else.
If you get a simple one input/one output prop valve (Wilwood, Mopar Perf), you'll need a brass "T" for the front lines.




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