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Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 12:26 AM
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I would have to say YES its dead. ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event. No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate. Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class. The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website. KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing. Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also. Just my  Scott
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 12:33 AM
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Not unless you're quitting.
Sorry,but after reading your responce it made me laugh so hard i spit out my jack and coke!!!...its people like you that keep me going
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 01:43 AM
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
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The problem with the promax stuff here around indy is NO ONE KNOWS about it. Its not advertised....its not talked about... no one hypes it up....there for no one shows up....
Ed is correct 100%...no Mopars play in this field....either they are scared to lose, or they are stuck on bracket racing....
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 01:44 AM
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
Scott
The problem with the promax stuff here around indy is NO ONE KNOWS about it. Its not advertised....its not talked about... no one hypes it up....there for no one shows up....
Ed is correct 100%...no Mopars play in this field....either they are scared to loose, or they are stuck on bracket racing....
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
Scott
The problem with the promax stuff here around indy is NO ONE KNOWS about it. Its not advertised....its not talked about... no one hypes it up....there for no one shows up....
Ed is correct 100%...no Mopars play in this field....either they are scared to loose, or they are stuck on bracket racing....
Thats why i,m counting on you for next year...young buck,..You have a bad azz duster..,
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
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Yup I remember in 09 at monster mopar only 4 of us showed up. Two in each class. Still was fun though. This year I just ran the 10.00 class and street eliminator. The 10.00 class was only $25.00. Maybe if the entry fee was cheaper and payout % dependant upon car count more would do it. Or just index racing like the 10.00 class just more options 12.00,11.50,11.00 ect and rules for street cars. Its all fun to me win or lose.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 09:29 AM
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Definitely not many Mopars running heads up stuff here in Colorado. Myself and 4404Dart were the only Mopars I can think of here in CO for last year.
4404Dart won the championship in Ultimate Street! I came in third for Limited Street!
I am working on a 73 Duster for next year. BB/NOS combo for Limited Street. Hopefully more Mopars show up! I might be the only one next year.
Didnt 4404Dart just sell his car??? 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
Scott
The problem with the promax stuff here around indy is NO ONE KNOWS about it. Its not advertised....its not talked about... no one hypes it up....there for no one shows up....
Ed is correct 100%...no Mopars play in this field....either they are scared to loose, or they are stuck on bracket racing....
Thats why i,m counting on you for next year...young buck,..You have a bad azz duster..,
Thanks Ed!
There is no way in h e l l you would remember me, but I would stop and pick your brain at every event I saw you at. We pitted next to on another at one of the events. I think it was Martin.... you tellin me about how you would take teh old aluminum rods out of your car, and toss them in your kids is one of the reason my street car has aluminum rods in it....
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I'm a huge fan and participant of heads up racing. Never really liked the bracket or index racing thing.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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To make a class winning Mopar you'll need lots of support from Mopar themselves. Right now, with all their emphasis on the customers and grass roots racing stuff I bet the right guy could do just that. Certainly wouldnt hurt to ask..once they see the exposure they get and positive reactions from fans for such relative little $$$ I bet they would start making better parts Drag radial or 10.5 outlaw car out of a new Challenger or any mopar would probably get their attention as long as you commit to a bunch of races.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/21/10 05:58 PM
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I would love N/A heads-up racing but, with cubic inch/weight classes, not indexes.
No break-outs, no BS
At my local Kos I ran the 275/60/15 true street tire class where we had to run real tires no slicks or drag radials no power adders. Towards the end of the year it was just me and another guy running a mustang that showed up everyone else gave up They were only in the low 7s. I would run 6.60s and a few 6.50s He would run 6.50s on average. He was a 400 small block with a power glide, so I had a few disadvantages but it was still fun. After that year they put a index of 7.30s on it. I have not raced since there is no real class I could fit in now.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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When I first got interested in heads up racing in 94' the payouts were better than bracket racing. Entry fees were waved when you qualified or when you lost first round. So anything you did was a payday of some sort. The national level stuff paid $1,500 to win. Then there was contigencies out the yeng yang.
15 years later the payout is the same unless you are running outlaw 10.5 which is out of hand. Let's say you find a class of some sorts paying $1,500 it will take 10 times the car it would have taken in the mid 90's to win. The same class that would have been slaughtered with a 9.0 will take a 7.50 just to get in the field. You can even imagine, (with a bottle of jack) coming out even at a race weekend. You are sure to go in the hole 100% even when you win.
Like Donald said we ran KOTS this year. I need to clarify it is not KOS. Donald ran overweight with no choice the rules are built around fox bodied mustangs. He still came out good thanks to reliable power and outstanding driving.
In my case there was only a $500 payout to win. There was no way to come out on this. If you were to win you still came up about $300 short for the weekend when you figure wear and tear. Make no mistake I did not win the first race. Came in second several times due to misfortunes. If I had taken the deal seriously and quit screwing with the car, every single race could have been won with my car as, all but one round was lost due to bad judgement or driver error. Index racing is challenging as you can't just run what you run you are faced with the index that is predetermined. But, I have a heads up mentality and I screwed with the car week to week to try and make the car better when running all out. Made little progress LOL. I played around in a quick 8 domestic heads up class on Fri nights and really enjoyed running heads up. Would like to do more next year if I still have the same engine. Just need to stay on top of the valve springs more when turning 9,500 on a regular basis. Running the 5.95 we shifted at 8,200 and pulled a lot of timing in low gear. 5.50's are obtainable on motor but you can't win against nitrous and big displacement with 900 HP. Especially when you throw the little tire in there. They are fast when things work out but can go up in smoke a lot easier when you miss the setup.
Leon
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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is it dead in my mind NO ! im building 2 cars for N/A heads up racing  alot of the heads up racing draws more brand X cars because of the rules in most cases, especially when there is a weight brake for stock suspension. IMO it dont get any better than the Mustang for that, 4 link and strut front stock ! i plan to go up to canada next year flyin the Mopar banner for some OSCA racing in there pro stock class with the small block car ( its weight to cubic inch  ) and should be one of the players as long as i can get the weight off.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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Scott and Leon both make valid points.
Just got home from the PSCA Street Car Super Nationals at Las Vegas...precious few Mopars to root for, but I applaud the efforts for sure.
55 6 second door slammers on the property, absolutely nuts!!
Enjoyed spectating, however, the cost of not only building, but racing a car in one of these ultra competitive classes is insane, not to mention that the tire and chassis limited classes that should theoretically be more affordable seem to have rules that make running a later model rear wheel drive car more advantageous...it's easy to see why the typical A,B,or E body Mopar is scarce!!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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maybe a Mopar in FOX BODY IS NOT THAT CRAZY
I've seen a couple of them at my local track, Milan.
Dennis
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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Mopar only Heads Up classes/series are dead....not enough heads up mopars around to even support a series/classes. We tried having a Heads Up class at the MIR Mopar race a few years ago but couldnt find sponsorship or enough people interested in racing in it....I ran one of the last Pro Max races at Rockingham and there were plenty of Mopars at that race that fit the rules of the classes and could have ran in it. Most of them choose not to, either due to they would rather bracket race or they thought they couldn't hang in the class so why bother trying.....I remember a few didnt want to spend the few dollars more to race in the classes. I think Pro Max was even going to cover the extra cost for some racers just to get a full field and they still wouldnt do it....As for Heads Up Mopars, they are a few out there. I should have my engine back soon for my Dart and we need to do some engine repairs on the other Dart we run with. There will be at least 3 or 4 Heads Up Mopars out around here next year. The Drag Radial Dakota from Florida is around this area now too....
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This is the easy...heads up racing takes alot of $$$ and mopar people are cheap A$$'s...
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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You got the $$$$ part right, don t know about the ass thing 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This is the easy...heads up racing takes alot of $$$ and mopar people are cheap A$$'s...
Very true. If you go by the percentages most people that own Mopars won't put up the kind of money it takes to play the game.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This is the easy...heads up racing takes alot of $$$ and mopar people are cheap A$$'s...
Very true. If you go by the percentages most people that own Mopars won't put up the kind of money it takes to play the game.
Darn right!!!! if they have there purple shaft there happy 
I'm just happy when my shaft is purple 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This post was never ment to be a no brainer!,Seems nobody that has clout(mopar nationals,that car magazine(sorry i don,t read car comic books) are willing to support heads up racing for the mopar people....So don,t hate when i put that big chief headed motor in the bird..Cause i can go twice as fast and cheaper..I have nothing against brkt raceing,Cause i could put my snow blower motor in the bird and run the same numbers every pass...
Hell let's forget about a mopar series and have a annual grudge race to find out who the big dog is in the skinny tire mopar world...Keep it simple on the rules and i will sponsor $2500.00 to the winner(like at bowling green-beechbend)and there will still be excuses not to participate!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This post was never ment to be a no brainer!,Seems nobody that has clout(mopar nationals,that car magazine(sorry i don,t read car comic books) are willing to support heads up racing for the mopar people....So don,t hate when i put that big chief headed motor in the bird..Cause i can go twice as fast and cheaper..I have nothing against brkt raceing,Cause i could put my snow blower motor in the bird and run the same numbers every pass...
Hell let's forget about a mopar series and have a annual grudge race to find out who the big dog is in the skinny tire mopar world...Keep it simple on the rules and i will sponsor $2500.00 to the winner(like at bowling green-beechbend)and there will still be excuses not to participate!
ill be there mopar body, mopar motor and drag radial or tt5... those are could be the only rules
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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This post was never ment to be a no brainer!,Seems nobody that has clout(mopar nationals,that car magazine(sorry i don,t read car comic books) are willing to support heads up racing for the mopar people....So don,t hate when i put that big chief headed motor in the bird..Cause i can go twice as fast and cheaper..I have nothing against brkt raceing,Cause i could put my snow blower motor in the bird and run the same numbers every pass...
Hell let's forget about a mopar series and have a annual grudge race to find out who the big dog is in the skinny tire mopar world...Keep it simple on the rules and i will sponsor $2500.00 to the winner(like at bowling green-beechbend)and there will still be excuses not to participate!
I like your thinking!,and your right, ur still going to have your cry babys,its been proven thousands of times stock suspension cars hook just as good as a ladder bar car or a 4 link car..Have the cars weigh about the same and run the same size tires and let er rip...i,m in!!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/22/10 09:44 PM
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I think there are several comments in this thread that are the reasons why there are very little headsup mopars out there.Mopar people are more of a resto, purist type compared to other brands and it is very expenisive to build and maintain a headsup car. This is why we index race, i love headsup racing, but at the same time have alot of respect for bracket racers, if a could afford it we would race headsup. Index racing in my eyes is a step between bracket and headsup racing, and an opportunity for someone that maybe can't quite afford to run the headsup classes in his area, to at least leave together on the tree.I think the small series that myself, leon and donald ran in was well represented by mopars throughout the season, mostly in the index classes, and donalds very unique combination showed people what mopars were capable of, just my
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: JesseR]
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11/22/10 10:01 PM
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I think most of it is Money is tight for everyone not that there aren't cars. When my Dad, Bill, Andy, Lenny, Leon, Mike R., Mike G., and I know I'm leaving alot of people out but people seemed to race then, even if they were off the fastest cars pace It wasn't outrageous to come race. Now I can't drive all over the country to race without having a chance of winning. I don't know about everybody else but me and My pops business is making less money now than in the late 90's. and how much more is fuel, motels, entry fees's, I'm not even gonna start on how much more you have to spend to have a competitive car nowadays as Leon said. I would almost say it cost double to travel and race to what it did 10-15 yrs ago and payouts are the same. I think thats why you see 3 or 4 huge races for heads up cars and tons of local series now. If someone wanted to put together a race at say the clay city Mopar race (I think that is pretty centralized for everyone) for everyone later next year I would be down. I know the one guy has tried it before with the KOS reunion and had semi success. I did spectate one year, and couldn't make it the 2nd one. I actually have been talking to some guys about trying to have one at a local Mopar race here in NC. Stephen Daurity
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: old yeller]
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11/22/10 11:05 PM
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you are right, if you are quicker than the given index, you've lost the race. That's what i was saying it is a class between the two, both cars leave together but you've also got to run the number.Some people like, some don't, just like all other types of racing. For us, its what we can afford to do right now and be competitive, Jesse.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Gary Robbins]
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11/22/10 11:45 PM
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This post was never ment to be a no brainer!,Seems nobody that has clout(mopar nationals,that car magazine(sorry i don,t read car comic books) are willing to support heads up racing for the mopar people....So don,t hate when i put that big chief headed motor in the bird..Cause i can go twice as fast and cheaper..I have nothing against brkt raceing,Cause i could put my snow blower motor in the bird and run the same numbers every pass...
Hell let's forget about a mopar series and have a annual grudge race to find out who the big dog is in the skinny tire mopar world...Keep it simple on the rules and i will sponsor $2500.00 to the winner(like at bowling green-beechbend)and there will still be excuses not to participate!
Sounds great, Is there some kind of mopar even at those tracks? If not what about norwalk don't they have a mopar event we could get this in on?
I would love to bring my TT5 mopar powered mopar to this and bring a grand for the pot. just make it a couple of months out so people can get it on their schedule.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: JesseR]
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11/22/10 11:53 PM
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you are right, if you are quicker than the given index, you've lost the race. That's what i was saying it is a class between the two, both cars leave together but you've also got to run the number.Some people like, some don't, just like all other types of racing. For us, its what we can afford to do right now and be competitive, Jesse.
I actually ran a index race in n. texas a couple of weekends ago($2500. to win 5.30 index)and was #1 qualifier with a 5.31 @ 135 and won the event,would i do it again,yes if index is low enough,but would pass if heads-up race was on same night.Was sure strange lifting (2nd round-killed 4 mph and still ran a 5.35)before finish line and not being out of shape...Back on track,my offer is real on the grudge race with enough interest and tire size and weight being the main rules...Are there any real players...Gary
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: moparniac]
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11/22/10 11:53 PM
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mopar is too dang expensive anything.....
i hear the " I can build a chevy for half the price " B.S.
true if you buy the run of the mill parts.
it doesnt make a difference $$$ when you get to the caliber of motors that you need to compete whether its a mopar, ford , or chevy
just ask one of the GOOD high end engine builders.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 12:35 AM
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This post was never ment to be a no brainer!,Seems nobody that has clout(mopar nationals,that car magazine(sorry i don,t read car comic books) are willing to support heads up racing for the mopar people....So don,t hate when i put that big chief headed motor in the bird..Cause i can go twice as fast and cheaper..I have nothing against brkt raceing,Cause i could put my snow blower motor in the bird and run the same numbers every pass...
Hell let's forget about a mopar series and have a annual grudge race to find out who the big dog is in the skinny tire mopar world...Keep it simple on the rules and i will sponsor $2500.00 to the winner(like at bowling green-beechbend)and there will still be excuses not to participate!
Sounds great, Is there some kind of mopar even at those tracks? If not what about norwalk don't they have a mopar event we could get this in on?
I would love to bring my TT5 mopar powered mopar to this and bring a grand for the pot. just make it a couple of months out so people can get it on their schedule.
That's great, another grand added to the pot,soon we could make it interesting.The reason i suggested bowling green was it seemed like (10 hours for us) a reasonable drive for a lot of racers in a big circle.If theres a track in that area that has a mopar race already i would consider it.I know this would not be easy and you can't please everyone,but with rules kept simple,the aid of the internet and folks like Bob at bigtme willing to help the cause it could be done...Gary
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 12:56 AM
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There's a pretty interesting dicussion about heads up mopars on the bullet right now also. Quite a few nice mopars on that thread too.
it that the stock suspension thread?
Here's the thread....
Yellow Bullet thread
It originally started as a small block mopar heads up thread but it turned into an all combo mopar heads up thread.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: silverfish]
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11/23/10 01:28 AM
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I made an attempt to make a head up series here in Southern Alberta, Canada. It was TOUGH. We are in a bracket racing community. PERIOD. haha. I would say for the first season, we made a bit of success. We tried to run two classes, however we never had enough cars to run both classes. one class was the 8.5 class. 8.5" x 26" tall tire or a 235/60R15. (quite similar to 8.5 outlaw) The other class was the 10.5 class. 10.5 non "W" X 30" tall max. (basically cars you would see in TT5) Our home town is Lethbridge. The closest track we can run at is Medicine Hat, which is a 2 hour tow. In lethbridge, we have some fast street cars, that usually settle things out on a cold dark county road. The track guys in Med Hat always wondered why Lethbridge guys only came out once or twice a year to the track. Plain and simple, most guys around Lethbridge just want to heads up race! Running this series this year brought out more cars to the track, and less "late night street action". It seems the Med Hat bracket guys seen our heads up series as a failure, however I was happy with how it worked out. We had anywhere from 8-22 cars I believe. I went out in the first round due to a broke throttle cable on the starting line the one time I did make it out with the car, but it was some of the most enjoyable racing for me. The heads up movement still has yet to hit Western Canada hard I would say. Or maybe it is just our area, but it is coming around. Not sure what we will do this up coming year, I think it may go the way of index racing to get more involvement from the local racers. Here is a little video of some of the people that came out to support the heads up effort! http://www.youtube.com/user/StrokerAspen#p/u/14/-bqRULFmQug
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: old yeller]
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11/23/10 03:35 PM
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I'd be in.......and Smothers Supercars will throw $1,000 into the pot also...... I like 1/4 mile racing, but I think 1/8 would be better for this so the racing would be closer....... So, will it be 100% Grudge Run What You Brung, or will there be rules?  If there will be rules, how about this? Mickey Thompson any tire marked to 28.0/10.5 including the W tire any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 non W Mickey Thompson ET Street any tire up to the 28/13.50 or 30/12.50 Mickey Thompson ET Drag Radial or Hoosier DOT Drag Radial any Radial no larger than 15" wheel diameter. Hoosier any slick marked to 29.5/10.5 [the 18192 and 18175 tires are not legal] Phoenix any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 Goodyear any tire marked to 29.5/11.0 ......and something like this for weights? Blower or turbo big block 3450 lbs. Nitrous big block 3450 lbs. Naturally aspirated big block with non conventional heads 3250 lbs. Nitrous small blocks inline heads 2900 lbs. Turbo small blocks 3325 lbs. Blower small blocks 3375 lbs. Add 100 lbs. Alcohol EFI and Mechanical Injection. Add 50 lbs. cast tunnel ram, 2 carburetors. Add 25 lbs. ladder bars. (Classic Car*, all Trucks no addition) F-1R blower Deduct 50 lbs. Classic Car* Deduct 50 lbs. Truck Deduct 50 lbs. Leaf Springs Deduct 25 lbs. Naturally aspirated deduct 300 lbs. Any Tire factory specs for tread width less than 10.2" or diameter less than 28.2" deduct 25 Lbs. Any DOT tire factory specs over 29.5" diameter and 11" tread width add 25 lbs. I just copied the rules from the MakoTenFive website........ 
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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11/23/10 03:41 PM
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alot of the heads up racing draws more brand X cars because of the rules in most cases, especially when there is a weight brake for stock suspension.
IMO it dont get any better than the Mustang for that, 4 link and strut front stock !
maybe a Mopar in FOX BODY IS NOT THAT CRAZY
We're putting a Brad Anderson hemi into ours for next season.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
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11/23/10 03:46 PM
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mopar is too dang expensive anything.....
i hear the " I can build a chevy for half the price " B.S.
true if you buy the run of the mill parts.
it doesnt make a difference $$$ when you get to the caliber of motors that you need to compete whether its a mopar, ford , or chevy
just ask one of the GOOD high end engine builders.
Absolutely correct. Going fast is expensive no matter the brand. For boosted applications the hemis have an advantage over all of them but it's still expensive. Any make body can be mounted on any chassis. There is no real advantage there for any of them.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/23/10 04:09 PM
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I'd be in.......and Smothers Supercars will throw $1,000 into the pot also......
I like 1/4 mile racing, but I think 1/8 would be better for this so the racing would be closer.......
So, will it be 100% Grudge Run What You Brung, or will there be rules?
If there will be rules, how about this?
Mickey Thompson
any tire marked to 28.0/10.5 including the W tire
any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 non W
Mickey Thompson ET Street
any tire up to the 28/13.50 or 30/12.50
Mickey Thompson ET Drag Radial or
Hoosier DOT Drag Radial
any Radial no larger than 15" wheel diameter.
Hoosier
any slick marked to 29.5/10.5
[the 18192 and 18175 tires are not legal]
Phoenix
any tire marked to 29.5/10.5
Goodyear
any tire marked to 29.5/11.0
......and something like this for weights?
Blower or turbo big block 3450 lbs.
Nitrous big block 3450 lbs.
Naturally aspirated big block with non conventional heads 3250 lbs.
Nitrous small blocks inline heads 2900 lbs.
Turbo small blocks 3325 lbs.
Blower small blocks 3375 lbs.
Add 100 lbs. Alcohol EFI and Mechanical Injection.
Add 50 lbs. cast tunnel ram, 2 carburetors.
Add 25 lbs. ladder bars. (Classic Car*, all Trucks no addition)
F-1R blower Deduct 50 lbs.
Classic Car* Deduct 50 lbs.
Truck Deduct 50 lbs.
Leaf Springs Deduct 25 lbs.
Naturally aspirated deduct 300 lbs.
Any Tire factory specs for tread width less than 10.2" or diameter less than 28.2" deduct 25 Lbs.
Any DOT tire factory specs over 29.5" diameter and 11" tread width add 25 lbs.
I just copied the rules from the MakoTenFive website........
I don't think you would want that many rules for this type of race. If its going to be Mopar only then we have to be pretty easy on the rules or we will not have much of a car count. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those rules are bad or anything...just saying I feel we would have to be more flexible than that or nobody will show.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: silverfish]
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11/23/10 04:22 PM
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No gutted race cars,interior, roll up windows, no back seat ok but must be carpeted? tt5 or 315 tire say 2900lbs min?
street appearing
i'm coming 3300lbs myself.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: silverfish]
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11/23/10 04:27 PM
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I'm in on this just give me the date. Long as the rods are in it I will come. The rules should be simple. Thats where pro-max failed.
-Stock front frame rail
-Back seat back-half/ no outlaw 10.5 cars
- Headlights, tail lights, etc. streetable equipment.
- No wheelie bars (really up to everybody else)
- 29's no w's or 315's or smaller
-SB 2800lbs
-BB 3000lbs
One day I will have something cool here.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: ProStDodge]
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11/23/10 05:56 PM
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
Scott
Pro Max's rules were so out in left field it would have cost me over $1000 to try to run in it. a big Indy dominator intake is OK, but my standard port weiand tunnel ram invented in the 70s is a No Go. Give me a break! and the tire rules were even worse.
the problems with Heads Up Racing is there are always to many Rules. i would think that people build cars to there liking first then try to fit into a class second. anyone that fits into some of these classes just flat out gets lucky
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people. If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.  This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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less rules the better.... wheelie bars?? come on, you really want to wreck these cars?? Im almost hesitant to run against cars in the other lane that have no bars .these arent Mustangs and G body GM's that you find so cheap theses days.... while looking for a Duster for my son, i realized that these bodies rust free are getting so hard to find..I would like to come and play, but im not taking my bars off, honestly the way i use them it doesnt help me anyway, once you get as high as i go, it slows you down. IF people dont like bars, then make us run them high, say 10" off the ground 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 06:18 PM
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
i had to run in the ProMax Extreme class against the Nitrous cars with my N/A small block because i had ladder bars 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
I had to run extreme street (the fast power adder class) b/c my block is aluminum.
I could have run the exact same combination in an iron block and run the all motor muscle street class. That made no sense to me, but I ran it anyway. 
Bobsprofab...I know exactly what you mean.
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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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I won't run without my sissy bars. just sayin
Awe, you're killing me!!!.....We CAN'T have sissy bars at this race!!! 
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What about the Mopar Nationals??? 
what would be a base weight for N/A small block ?
would it be 2,600
300 minus 2900 for the nitrous small block
i wont run either without the sissy sticks
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when???
where??
What about the Mopar Nationals???
I enjoy the mopar nats but not racing there, just too crowded for me. I still like clay city, KY for a race like this. Its a pretty central location and nice laid back track, pretty track, good food and always works good.
One day I will have something cool here.
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11/23/10 06:33 PM
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i dont think the Nats would be a good place for it also.
maybe Josh can have the deal setup @ Indy ?
they are trying to put together a heads up series and promise world class prep there !
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 06:39 PM
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Yeah, I don't think the Nat's is the place to do this race.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 06:42 PM
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Cool.......I'm up for where ever...... I like very little rules too.......but using weight and tire size is pretty loose IMHO.........Heck, even a Top Fuel car can race, it just needs to weigh 5,000lbs and run on 29.5" tires........
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 06:52 PM
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I run at Thompson and they have a Renegade class there. It's an 8.90 heads up index and next summer they'll have a 10.50 index, they are growing fast because they don't have alot of rules. Have to have a stock type dash and carpet, and no stickers all over the body of the car. Other than that, tire size and suspension doesn't matter, wheelie bars are allowed etc etc.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: ProSport]
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11/23/10 07:06 PM
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No gutted race cars, interior, roll up windows, no back seat ok but must be carpeted? tt5 or 315 tire.
BB power adder 3300lbs
Smallblock power adder 3100lbs
NA BB 3000lbs
NA SB 2800lbs
street appearing is the key. Must post pics of your car efore the race with its weight.
how about these for rules?
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 07:20 PM
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Sounds good to me. Nexyt year will be fuel injected 470", 101mm, a2w cooler, caltracs, 275's, 3300lbs. This pic is older just looks a little different. 
One day I will have something cool here.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 07:37 PM
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No gutted race cars, interior, roll up windows, no back seat ok but must be carpeted? tt5 or 315 tire.
BB power adder 3300lbs
Smallblock power adder 3100lbs
NA BB 3000lbs
NA SB 2800lbs
street appearing is the key. Must post pics of your car efore the race with its weight.
how about these for rules?
those rules look great....
the only thing i would change is to allow weight breaks for guys using factory blocks
also you need to have some rule about heads...Preadators or B1TS or B1PSO are a lot better than 440-1, calssify them as Non Conventional
Best thing is use the above weights as base and deduct from there
Deduct for factory block
Deduct for conventional heads
not looking to complicate the rules any, just give weight breaks for people running "cheaper" or more common equipment
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 07:43 PM
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No gutted race cars, interior, roll up windows, no back seat ok but must be carpeted? tt5 or 315 tire.
BB power adder 3300lbs
Smallblock power adder 3100lbs
NA BB 3000lbs
NA SB 2800lbs
street appearing is the key. Must post pics of your car efore the race with its weight.
how about these for rules?
I think you are on the right track. I think the majority of our cars can fit those rules and everyone still be competitive.
One big thing is that your car must be MOPAR powered!
Another idea I like is instead of pro ladder make it a random draw. Put all numbers in a hat and draw for pairings. Most of the heads up races in Oklahoma are ran that way and it works out pretty good. Puts another nice wrinkle in things.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 08:26 PM
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for this to work it needs less rules,some of you guys want the rules to fit around your cars,and most peoples cars are diffrient,the only rules should be weight of the car and the tire size, or have 2 classes...big block cars and small block cars....if a guy wants to race his dragster put on the weight and a 10.5 tire i,ll grab a lane next to him...You have some people willing to put some money for this event to happen...Don,t kill it with all your rules,ya never know this could turn out to be a killer event
I agree to a point but we need the NA guys to have a chance and its not safe to put more than a couple of hundred pounds in a car.
open cars need to race with themselves.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 08:43 PM
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Whoa!...Everybody slow down...Looks like this could happen,but to many chiefs and not enough indians doesn't ever work...I'M 100% in on the $2500. and it looks like Bigtime (Bob) and Big Squeeze (Wayne) are in for $1000. each and i'm sure there will be more!...This would be a cool deal if we can make it happen,but everyone needs to understand we have to have fairly loose rules to make it work,please don't forget the GRUDGE part so we can try to include all small tire MOPARS(n/a-turbo-blower-nitrous)and have one hell of a time!...Ideas are great,but ultimatly you have to have a small group make the final decisions...Don't know anything about the Clay City track in Kentucky,but i'm going to be open minded on the location.The Bowling Green track is easy to get to for a lot of racers and should be a good track...Gary
P.S.I'M SORRY FOR HIJACKING YOUR THREAD OLD YELLER(AKA BIRD)AND YOUR CAR WILL FIT THE RULES!
im no chief....im an indian, tell me when and where, IF i can make it i will, and if i get dragged down the track.....it wont be the first time LOL ! ! !
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 08:50 PM
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for this to work it needs less rules,some of you guys want the rules to fit around your cars,and most peoples cars are diffrient,the only rules should be weight of the car and the tire size, or have 2 classes...big block cars and small block cars....if a guy wants to race his dragster put on the weight and a 10.5 tire i,ll grab a lane next to him...You have some people willing to put some money for this event to happen...Don,t kill it with all your rules,ya never know this could turn out to be a killer event
I agree to a point but we need the NA guys to have a chance and its not safe to put more than a couple of hundred pounds in a car.
open cars need to race with themselves.
I was kidding about the dragster thing...just trying to make a point!,let the NA guys have a class for themselfs,instead of all the rules now you have 4 classes bigblocks,small blocks. NA big blocks and NA small blocks....There now you have a class for everybody the more cars the bigger the event and everybody leaves on a instant green light,That would help for more of a fair playing field...just a thought.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 08:54 PM
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I'am in!!!!!!!!!!! The Truck is done. I say to hell with a lot of rules!!!This Small block VS big block $hit is getting old.Most small blocks are as big or bigger than my big block. I'll throw $500.00 in the pot. 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/23/10 09:14 PM
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I'am in!!!!!!!!!!!
The Truck is done.
I say to hell with a lot of rules!!!This Small block VS big block $hit is getting old.Most small blocks are as big or bigger than my big block.
I'll throw $500.00 in the pot.
What would you suggest for rules?
I don't want to be a Chief either, but I'll be an Indian........ 
I nominate Gary for being the head Chief, since he was the first to step up and offer some moolah......
If you're going to try to get a sponsor or two, it'd be smart to put it in with another Mopar race/show that already has a decent sized turnout to give the potential sponsors incentive.....that's why I'd suggested the Mopar Nats.... My thought was that if they set aside a parking area for these cars, it wouldn't be such a cluster??? but again, I'm up for whatever, wherever.......
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/23/10 09:16 PM
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I'am in!!!!!!!!!!!
The Truck is done.
I say to hell with a lot of rules!!!This Small block VS big block $hit is getting old.Most small blocks are as big or bigger than my big block.
I'll throw $500.00 in the pot.
What would you suggest for rules?
I'am Not. I'am a racer not a promoter!!!!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/23/10 09:31 PM
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If everyone is putting money into a pot why not do it like Cash days / KOTS and just have each racer pay $500 to enter and winner takes all or divide it down to the semi's. Thats still OK money if only 10 cars showed up. Here is a video of the last KOTS race, albeit a Mopar version would be far less dramatic..but it shows they can be done without any sponsors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89z1ahQV0NI&feature=related
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 10:10 PM
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this class draws cars and people to the stands
from there site:
Outlaw Limited Street
1/8 Mile, Heads Up, .400 Pro Tree, 32 Car Field, Sportsman Ladder, Lane choice goes to higher qualifier first round, and then the faster car from previous round.
Rear Tires
29.5" x 10.5 non W or 315 drag radial or smaller
Front Chassis/Suspension
Stock front frame rails and suspension required. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations. Rack and pinion steering allowed. Aftermarket coil over shocks allowed and aftermarket direct replacement struts are allowed, but must bolt in stock location.
Aftermarket bolt in sub-frame allowed. Must bolt in unaltered stock OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration required. These bolt on subframes must be from a manufacturer with designated company part numbers and must be produced for the vehicle they were designed for from the manufacturer.
Rear Chassis/Suspension
Any type rear suspension allowed. Firewall must be retained and in stock location.
Engine
Any engine combination allowed. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed. Mufflers required for all cars except turbocharged entries. All nitrous bottles to be safety vented pop off to outside the vehicle.
Transmission
Any type automatic or OEM manual transmission allowed.
Weights
SB/BB N/A No Weight Limit
SB NOS 2500 lbs
BB NOS 3100 lbs
SB Turbo 3100 lbs
SB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3150 lbs
SB Supercharger 3100 lbs
BB Supercharger 3200 lbs
BB Single Turbo 3200 lbs
BB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3250 lbs
Leaf Springs - Subtract 100lbs
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/23/10 10:11 PM
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Where is this mopar nats you speak of?
You are joking, right???
No why?
I find it hard to believe you've never heard of the Mopar Nationals. Its been going on for what, 32 years? 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/23/10 10:13 PM
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Where is this mopar nats you speak of?
You are joking, right???
No why?
I'm sure he's surprised that you don't haven't heard about it......It's the largest Mopar only event.....
Oh yeah, and that too!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
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11/23/10 10:13 PM
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this class draws cars and people to the stands
from there site:
Outlaw Limited Street
1/8 Mile, Heads Up, .400 Pro Tree, 32 Car Field, Sportsman Ladder, Lane choice goes to higher qualifier first round, and then the faster car from previous round.
Rear Tires
29.5" x 10.5 non W or 315 drag radial or smaller
Front Chassis/Suspension
Stock front frame rails and suspension required. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations. Rack and pinion steering allowed. Aftermarket coil over shocks allowed and aftermarket direct replacement struts are allowed, but must bolt in stock location.
Aftermarket bolt in sub-frame allowed. Must bolt in unaltered stock OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration required. These bolt on subframes must be from a manufacturer with designated company part numbers and must be produced for the vehicle they were designed for from the manufacturer.
Rear Chassis/Suspension
Any type rear suspension allowed. Firewall must be retained and in stock location.
Engine
Any engine combination allowed. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed. Mufflers required for all cars except turbocharged entries. All nitrous bottles to be safety vented pop off to outside the vehicle.
Transmission
Any type automatic or OEM manual transmission allowed.
Weights
SB/BB N/A No Weight Limit
SB NOS 2500 lbs
BB NOS 3100 lbs
SB Turbo 3100 lbs
SB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3150 lbs
SB Supercharger 3100 lbs
BB Supercharger 3200 lbs
BB Single Turbo 3200 lbs
BB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3250 lbs
Leaf Springs - Subtract 100lbs
Looks perfect to me............
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
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11/23/10 10:14 PM
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this class draws cars and people to the stands
from there site:
Outlaw Limited Street
1/8 Mile, Heads Up, .400 Pro Tree, 32 Car Field, Sportsman Ladder, Lane choice goes to higher qualifier first round, and then the faster car from previous round.
Rear Tires
29.5" x 10.5 non W or 315 drag radial or smaller
Front Chassis/Suspension
Stock front frame rails and suspension required. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations. Rack and pinion steering allowed. Aftermarket coil over shocks allowed and aftermarket direct replacement struts are allowed, but must bolt in stock location.
Aftermarket bolt in sub-frame allowed. Must bolt in unaltered stock OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration required. These bolt on subframes must be from a manufacturer with designated company part numbers and must be produced for the vehicle they were designed for from the manufacturer.
Rear Chassis/Suspension
Any type rear suspension allowed. Firewall must be retained and in stock location.
Engine
Any engine combination allowed. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed. Mufflers required for all cars except turbocharged entries. All nitrous bottles to be safety vented pop off to outside the vehicle.
Transmission
Any type automatic or OEM manual transmission allowed.
Weights
SB/BB N/A No Weight Limit
SB NOS 2500 lbs
BB NOS 3100 lbs
SB Turbo 3100 lbs
SB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3150 lbs
SB Supercharger 3100 lbs
BB Supercharger 3200 lbs
BB Single Turbo 3200 lbs
BB Twins Supercharger/Turbos 3250 lbs
Leaf Springs - Subtract 100lbs
Bob is right, its unbelievable the amount of people that fill the stands for these events at Milan!
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/23/10 11:09 PM
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Just some thoughts....
Index racing is not bracket racing. To bracket race you make runs to decide what your dial in will be. You race a sportsman tree so you get plenty warning on the GO. Index racing you race a Pro tree and whether you are slow or fast you enter the class knowing you have to run the same ET as everyone else. Do I like it, NO. Am I good at it, WELL I CAN BE VERY GOOD AT IT.
Ok on with it....
People keep complaining about too many rules but then turn around and say no outlaw cars, no wheelie bars, and etc.
There was a tire rule in the index class I raced this past year. They released the rule to allow more cars. I put the biggest thing I had on the car to proove a point. No one had a clue. The car slowed down big time with the big tires. Deadly consistant on the launch but consistantly slow.
Wheelie bars have little effect either. They do one of two things. Keep your front end down to a safe level or unload the back end to get wheel speed on launch. Never understood why people get so razzled about them.
Then the power adder weight breaks and the BB SB arguement. Well any fool can see a 638CID BB will make 250 HP NA over the best 480CID SB. Add power adders into the mix and the difference keeps spreading. P&G and weight to cube is the only fair way to deal with it but a huge technical nightmare. Leaf springs and cal tracs are very impressive but against 4-links are not even comparable. Just because someone has manipulated a 7531 box to get a great 60 ft with limited suspension or tire means nothing.
It all comes down to the same thing it has always been. You can put up $100,000 to win and if guys think they are coming in second place they are not going to show up. If you make the rules absolutely perfectly fair for every combination imaginable the guy who isn't meeting potential is still not going to be happy about it. I wish I could bring something to the table to help this along as a race can be a great thing but I have seen this story play out many times before. Reading this tread is just a reminder of how this goes. Kinda like trying to get countries in the middle east to get along with one another.
Simply copying a local rule format for all makes and trying to implement it to a Mopar crowd is not a good idea. How many small block Mopar canted valve heads have you seen running. Look at the power level of these and the restrictions you would run into to run them. Just an example of what the rules can leave out.
Some have tried to just see what cars that wanna race have. Then make rules to accomodate. KOS tried this for years problem is most who said they would race did not show up.
Here is an idea. Run what you brung with whatever meaningless rules, street appearing whatever. Have two ways to put up money for the event. One in winner payout and the other in money for the fastest combo of the sponsors choice. Say $250 for fastest NA SB, $250 for fastest NA BB, $250 for NOS BB, etc, etc. Maybe then the guy with a combo that may proove not competive is shooting for money for his combo. No one will make money racing in something like this but at least it makes one feel better. LOL
My idea..... Rent a track spray it with deisel fuel and 90 weight gear oil and run what you brung or whatever you dare. Whoever proves they can get it done got it done. LOL
Leon
Maybe I should have just left this tread alone but I fealt I needed to vent a little a point a few things out.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/24/10 12:18 AM
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Simple headsup rules usually means less car count........Complicated headsup rules means tech headache, creative interpretation of the rules and lots of arguing...... Only way to have simple rules and very little tech is to index race or just have a tire rule and run what you brung........ and if you do a run what you brung race, it's going to be hard to get very many people to put up $500/each (like has been mentioned)...... Maybe make this a bragging rights only race? Sponsor money is split up to pay for people's fuel to get to the event and there's a trophy for the winner.....Bring a 29.5X10.5 max tire and run it..... BTW.......What do the quickest cars running in the Milan race run??????...........Instead of going to a Mopar only event, what about we all show up at one of the Milan events?  Have our own race there or sponsor money goes to the Mopar if it wins the event???
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/24/10 12:32 AM
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How about we start a post with JUST the people that are going to run it and see what their thoughts are for the rules?
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
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11/24/10 12:55 AM
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BTW.......What do the quickest cars running in the Milan race run??????...........Instead of going to a Mopar only event, what about we all show up at one of the Milan events? Have our own race there or sponsor money goes to the Mopar if it wins the event???
at Milan
All Motor class single carb best pass was a 8.13 @ 3475 lbs 
Drag Radial was in the 7.0 to 7.30 range @ over 200 mph
and OL10.5 was in the 6.80 range
so if you come to milan, better bring some big guns !
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
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11/24/10 12:57 AM
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Hamilton,Ont
72chrgrally
top fuel
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top fuel
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Posts: 2,286
Hamilton,Ont
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Wow this race sounds like fun. Too bad my junk won't be done to attend, my car would fit well with the rules.
Steve
Photobucket sucks
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
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11/24/10 01:09 AM
11/24/10 01:09 AM
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Posts: 2,584
sycamore,ohio
BobsProFab
master
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master
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Posts: 2,584
sycamore,ohio
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Liberty's Gears All Motor - AM
1/4 Mile - .400 Pro Tree - 16 Car Qualified Field - Pro Ladder
Rules are subject to change. We will also review them after the third race.
Base Weights
Small Block minimum weight 2800 pounds
Big Block minimum weight 3300 pounds
Big Block Chevy, Mopar, Ford, Cadillac Conventional Head minimum weight 3150 pounds
Big Block Buick, Oldsmobile & Pontiac minimum weight 3150 pounds
Lower Engine Containment Device Required:
Oil Retention Device: Device may be custom-built ballistic blanket-style or metal-style (I.e., bucket) device. Metal pan may be no longer than the engine from the front of crank shaft to the rear of the flywheel. Pan must be inside the frame rails and fabricated to retain oil\liquid. Pan must attach to the frame via conventional fasteners or straps. Pan must be a minimum of 3inches above ground.
Diapers: They do not have to be SFI rated.
Carburetors
Carburetors: Single carburetor allowed. Any modifications are allowed. No split carburetors allowed.
Fuel Injection: Electronic fuel injection is allowed. Single throttle body required.
Intake Manifolds: No restrictions
Mufflers: Mufflers are optional.
Transmissions
Auto Transmissions: Any OEM American automatic transmission or a replica of an OEM American automatic transmission that uses planetary gears and torque converter permitted. Transmission-to-engine adapters are permitted. Trans brakes permitted. Automatic transmission entries run at listed base weights. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver.
Manual Transmissions: OEM or aftermarket transmissions with a maximum of 5 forward speeds permitted. Clutchless models permitted. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Vehicles using Clutchless manual transmission must add 50 lbs to listed base weight.
Front End: Stock frame rail from firewall forward required. Firewall to remain in the original location. Bolt-on replacement units allowed. This needs to be verified in tech that the bolt on factory mounting point are used with the bolts present.
Front Suspension: Any type of suspension is allowed
Rear Suspension
Stock Suspension: Deduct 25 pounds from base weight
Ladder Bar: Runs at base weight
4-Link: Add 75 pounds to base weight
Wheelie Bars: Wheels must be non-metallic. May not be attached to rear bumper or bumper braces. May be 48 inches in length or to the rear bumper, whichever is longer. Length is checked from centerline of rear axle to center of wheelie-bar wheel.
Add 50 pounds from base weight if using wheelie bars
Rear Tires
Slick Tires: Mickey Thompson 28.5 x 10.5 Non W or 29.5 x 10.5 Non W Only
Body
Exterior:
Body panels can be replaced with factory appearing bolt-on replacements. No one piece front ends - Aftermarket front end that is all connected together (both fenders and nose).
OEM style forward facing hood scoop are allowed, Pro Stock style forward facing hood scoops are allowed, add 100 pounds to the base weight.
Glass: Lexan is allowed in the doors, side widows and the back
Interior: Stock appearing interior required, including two front seats.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Bill_LBSR]
#858981
11/24/10 01:34 AM
11/24/10 01:34 AM
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Posts: 842
Baltimore,MD
Bill_LBSR
super stock
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super stock
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Posts: 842
Baltimore,MD
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And Im in too if this race goes down, we can bring one of the two cars out to race.......maybe both.
LBSR
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Bill_LBSR]
#858982
11/24/10 02:00 AM
11/24/10 02:00 AM
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Posts: 4,590
Indy
joshking440
Lunch is on me!
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Lunch is on me!
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,590
Indy
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Im sure we can get this done at Indy during a normal Saturday event if you guys think it is a fair location. Track prep will be 2nd to none and the track manager is TOP NOTCH Also, we are going to have a Friday night heads up event very similar to Milan, then most saturday and sundays will be bracket/index racing so if you travelled you could race at the track for the remainder of the weekend if you so desired I think Indy will be having an all mopar event next year that was at a certain track just west of us 3 hours or so that is no longer open but that is pure hear say (  )
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: cold85]
#858991
11/24/10 01:01 PM
11/24/10 01:01 PM
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Posts: 19,366
Las Vegas
Al_Alguire
I Live Here
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I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,366
Las Vegas
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Well as pointed out in the post previously the problem with most heads up stuff is many guys will not show up simply because they dont think they have a chance to win. Simple as that...That mindset it what kills most heads up stuff. Well that along with there is always someone with deep enough pockets to come out and just blow things out of the water. This leads to the previous point and things spiral from there. Problem two as pointed out is everyone seems to want the rules to favor thier particular car. IMO keep it simple. The more simple you keep the rules the more people that MAY show up, I mean brutally simple. If and when the time comes to ad rules, after the ball gets rolling then by all means do it. If guys feel it is unfair that way well they will be the same ones crying foul when they cant compete anyway. We have a local deal around. The rules here well are pretty much limited to nothing, just an entry fee, usually of a few hundred dollars..Just bring your junk out and hope it is enough. We have everything from tube chassis index cars to Xtreme drag radial cars all competing against each other and may the best man win. BTW the fastes car in attendance has yet to win the money at the end of the night. This format seems to work well and brings out enough cars to make it worth while. just my
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Dustedu]
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11/25/10 02:17 PM
11/25/10 02:17 PM
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Posts: 437
south central pa
bdaz smblk
mopar
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mopar
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 437
south central pa
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Where ever it is we will be their.But I would have it at a IHRA track because most of the nhra tracks won't allow people to spend the night at the track.Thanks Kenny
3120lb, small block, 10.5" tire, NA, through exhaust, full int, WITH 83/4 REAR, 9.0 at 150mph
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: bdaz smblk]
#858996
12/10/10 02:51 AM
12/10/10 02:51 AM
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Posts: 1,149
McCandlessboy
super stock
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super stock
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,149
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What's the groups long term goal? If you're trying to create a REAL series, then have as few as rules as possible for the first race. This will maximize the number of people that show up. Keep the purse semi low, otherwise more rules creep in on the first event. The goal is to get everyone to the track, on the same day, under the same conditions, with as many combo's as possible. That will allow everyone to see where everyone is. From there, you can make effective rules. You need to see if there is real interest. If it doesn't cost a lot to go to the first one and everyone understands what the goal is, you can start to build a series. Look at what 275 has done. You start off simple and as it grew, put in more rules, just like any series.
Don't obsess about a car that exists on the internet. If #1 qualifier won every time, we wouldn't have to turn on the TV to find out who won the NHRA/IHRA races.
Having owned a track, I saw this conversation take place countless times. From talking to other track owners and seeing it myself, have as few a rules as possible to start. Then go from there. This is supposed to be about having fun and enjoying mopars. Don't regulate the fun out of the first race because there is too much money at stake and everyone bitching about rules.
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for a good mopar cause.. 
