and just add to the rules
Mopar Only Door Cars with stock appearing interior

Think the rules should be stock appearing 10.5 29.5 tire 3000 min # no bars 1/8 mile at a big mopar show.

Just some thoughts....

Index racing is not bracket racing. To bracket race you make runs to decide what your dial in will be. You race a sportsman tree so you get plenty warning on the GO. Index racing you race a Pro tree and whether you are slow or fast you enter the class knowing you have to run the same ET as everyone else. Do I like it, NO. Am I good at it, WELL I CAN BE VERY GOOD AT IT.

Ok on with it....

People keep complaining about too many rules but then turn around and say no outlaw cars, no wheelie bars, and etc.
There was a tire rule in the index class I raced this past year. They released the rule to allow more cars. I put the biggest thing I had on the car to proove a point. No one had a clue. The car slowed down big time with the big tires. Deadly consistant on the launch but consistantly slow.
Wheelie bars have little effect either. They do one of two things. Keep your front end down to a safe level or unload the back end to get wheel speed on launch. Never understood why people get so razzled about them.
Then the power adder weight breaks and the BB SB arguement. Well any fool can see a 638CID BB will make 250 HP NA over the best 480CID SB. Add power adders into the mix and the difference keeps spreading. P&G and weight to cube is the only fair way to deal with it but a huge technical nightmare. Leaf springs and cal tracs are very impressive but against 4-links are not even comparable. Just because someone has manipulated a 7531 box to get a great 60 ft with limited suspension or tire means nothing.
It all comes down to the same thing it has always been. You can put up $100,000 to win and if guys think they are coming in second place they are not going to show up. If you make the rules absolutely perfectly fair for every combination imaginable the guy who isn't meeting potential is still not going to be happy about it. I wish I could bring something to the table to help this along as a race can be a great thing but I have seen this story play out many times before. Reading this tread is just a reminder of how this goes. Kinda like trying to get countries in the middle east to get along with one another.
Simply copying a local rule format for all makes and trying to implement it to a Mopar crowd is not a good idea. How many small block Mopar canted valve heads have you seen running. Look at the power level of these and the restrictions you would run into to run them. Just an example of what the rules can leave out.
Some have tried to just see what cars that wanna race have. Then make rules to accomodate. KOS tried this for years problem is most who said they would race did not show up.
Here is an idea. Run what you brung with whatever meaningless rules, street appearing whatever. Have two ways to put up money for the event. One in winner payout and the other in money for the fastest combo of the sponsors choice. Say $250 for fastest NA SB, $250 for fastest NA BB, $250 for NOS BB, etc, etc. Maybe then the guy with a combo that may proove not competive is shooting for money for his combo. No one will make money racing in something like this but at least it makes one feel better. LOL

My idea..... Rent a track spray it with deisel fuel and 90 weight gear oil and run what you brung or whatever you dare. Whoever proves they can get it done got it done. LOL

Leon
Maybe I should have just left this tread alone but I fealt I needed to vent a little a point a few things out.

Simple headsup rules usually means less car count........Complicated headsup rules means tech headache, creative interpretation of the rules and lots of arguing......

Only way to have simple rules and very little tech is to index race or just have a tire rule and run what you brung........ and if you do a run what you brung race, it's going to be hard to get very many people to put up $500/each (like has been mentioned)......

Maybe make this a bragging rights only race? Sponsor money is split up to pay for people's fuel to get to the event and there's a trophy for the winner.....Bring a 29.5X10.5 max tire and run it.....

BTW.......What do the quickest cars running in the Milan race run??????...........Instead of going to a Mopar only event, what about we all show up at one of the Milan events? Have our own race there or sponsor money goes to the Mopar if it wins the event???

How about we start a post with JUST the people that are going to run it and see what their thoughts are for the rules?

Wow this race sounds like fun. Too bad my junk won't be done to attend, my car would fit well with the rules.
Steve

no they where the OLS rules

VP Racing Fuels Drag Radial - DR
1/4 Mile - .400 Pro Tree - 16 Car Qualified Field - Pro Ladder
Drag radial tires only - maximum 12" measured tread width

Lower Engine Containment Device Required:
Oil Retention Device: Device may be custom-built ballistic blanket-style or metal-style (I.e., bucket) device. Metal pan may be no longer than the engine from the front of crank shaft to the rear of the flywheel. Pan must be inside the frame rails and fabricated to retain oil\liquid. Pan must attach to the frame via conventional fasteners or straps. Pan must be a minimum of 3inches above ground.
Diapers: They do not have to be SFI rated.

Transmission – all styles are allowed

Ladder bar and stock style suspension allowed – No wheelie bars (Direct bolt on replacement parts or added bolt-ons such as slapper bars OK). Car must have stock rear frame rails (notching OK for tire clearance)

Fiberglass is allowed, must be stock appearing

Stock appearing interior

Mufflers are mandatory

Base Weight 3300
N/A SB -1000 2300
N/A BB -700 2600
V6 Any Combo -500 2800
SB NOS -800 2500
BB NOS -350 2950
Mod Motor 4.6 -500 2800
Mod Motor 5.4 -300 3000
SB S/C or Turbo (Single) -100 3200
SB Multiple Adders 0 3300
BB S/C or Turbo (Single) 0 3300
BB Multiple Adders 100 3400

Liberty's Gears All Motor - AM
1/4 Mile - .400 Pro Tree - 16 Car Qualified Field - Pro Ladder

Rules are subject to change. We will also review them after the third race.

Base Weights
Small Block minimum weight 2800 pounds
Big Block minimum weight 3300 pounds
Big Block Chevy, Mopar, Ford, Cadillac Conventional Head minimum weight 3150 pounds
Big Block Buick, Oldsmobile & Pontiac minimum weight 3150 pounds
Lower Engine Containment Device Required:
Oil Retention Device: Device may be custom-built ballistic blanket-style or metal-style (I.e., bucket) device. Metal pan may be no longer than the engine from the front of crank shaft to the rear of the flywheel. Pan must be inside the frame rails and fabricated to retain oil\liquid. Pan must attach to the frame via conventional fasteners or straps. Pan must be a minimum of 3inches above ground.
Diapers: They do not have to be SFI rated.

Carburetors
Carburetors: Single carburetor allowed. Any modifications are allowed. No split carburetors allowed.
Fuel Injection: Electronic fuel injection is allowed. Single throttle body required.

Intake Manifolds: No restrictions

Mufflers: Mufflers are optional.

Transmissions
Auto Transmissions: Any OEM American automatic transmission or a replica of an OEM American automatic transmission that uses planetary gears and torque converter permitted. Transmission-to-engine adapters are permitted. Trans brakes permitted. Automatic transmission entries run at listed base weights. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver.

Manual Transmissions: OEM or aftermarket transmissions with a maximum of 5 forward speeds permitted. Clutchless models permitted. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Vehicles using Clutchless manual transmission must add 50 lbs to listed base weight.

Front End: Stock frame rail from firewall forward required. Firewall to remain in the original location. Bolt-on replacement units allowed. This needs to be verified in tech that the bolt on factory mounting point are used with the bolts present.

Front Suspension: Any type of suspension is allowed

Rear Suspension
Stock Suspension: Deduct 25 pounds from base weight
Ladder Bar: Runs at base weight
4-Link: Add 75 pounds to base weight

Wheelie Bars: Wheels must be non-metallic. May not be attached to rear bumper or bumper braces. May be 48 inches in length or to the rear bumper, whichever is longer. Length is checked from centerline of rear axle to center of wheelie-bar wheel.
Add 50 pounds from base weight if using wheelie bars

Rear Tires
Slick Tires: Mickey Thompson 28.5 x 10.5 Non W or 29.5 x 10.5 Non W Only
Body
Exterior:
Body panels can be replaced with factory appearing bolt-on replacements. No one piece front ends - Aftermarket front end that is all connected together (both fenders and nose).
OEM style forward facing hood scoop are allowed, Pro Stock style forward facing hood scoops are allowed, add 100 pounds to the base weight.

Glass: Lexan is allowed in the doors, side widows and the back

Interior: Stock appearing interior required, including two front seats.

And Im in too if this race goes down, we can bring one of the two cars out to race.......maybe both.

Im sure we can get this done at Indy during a normal Saturday event if you guys think it is a fair location.

Track prep will be 2nd to none and the track manager is TOP NOTCH

Also, we are going to have a Friday night heads up event very similar to Milan, then most saturday and sundays will be bracket/index racing so if you travelled you could race at the track for the remainder of the weekend if you so desired

I think Indy will be having an all mopar event next year that was at a certain track just west of us 3 hours or so that is no longer open but that is pure hear say ()