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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: old yeller]
#858904
11/23/10 03:35 PM
11/23/10 03:35 PM
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Oologah, Oklahoma
Big Squeeze
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I'd be in.......and Smothers Supercars will throw $1,000 into the pot also...... I like 1/4 mile racing, but I think 1/8 would be better for this so the racing would be closer.......  So, will it be 100% Grudge Run What You Brung, or will there be rules?  If there will be rules, how about this? Mickey Thompson any tire marked to 28.0/10.5 including the W tire any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 non W Mickey Thompson ET Street any tire up to the 28/13.50 or 30/12.50 Mickey Thompson ET Drag Radial or Hoosier DOT Drag Radial any Radial no larger than 15" wheel diameter. Hoosier any slick marked to 29.5/10.5 [the 18192 and 18175 tires are not legal] Phoenix any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 Goodyear any tire marked to 29.5/11.0 ......and something like this for weights? Blower or turbo big block 3450 lbs. Nitrous big block 3450 lbs. Naturally aspirated big block with non conventional heads 3250 lbs. Nitrous small blocks inline heads 2900 lbs. Turbo small blocks 3325 lbs. Blower small blocks 3375 lbs. Add 100 lbs. Alcohol EFI and Mechanical Injection. Add 50 lbs. cast tunnel ram, 2 carburetors. Add 25 lbs. ladder bars. (Classic Car*, all Trucks no addition) F-1R blower Deduct 50 lbs. Classic Car* Deduct 50 lbs. Truck Deduct 50 lbs. Leaf Springs Deduct 25 lbs. Naturally aspirated deduct 300 lbs. Any Tire factory specs for tread width less than 10.2" or diameter less than 28.2" deduct 25 Lbs. Any DOT tire factory specs over 29.5" diameter and 11" tread width add 25 lbs. I just copied the rules from the MakoTenFive website........ 
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: HEMIFRED]
#858905
11/23/10 03:41 PM
11/23/10 03:41 PM
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Left Coast
BobR
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alot of the heads up racing draws more brand X cars because of the rules in most cases, especially when there is a weight brake for stock suspension.
IMO it dont get any better than the Mustang for that, 4 link and strut front stock !
maybe a Mopar in FOX BODY IS NOT THAT CRAZY
We're putting a Brad Anderson hemi into ours for next season.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: BobsProFab]
#858906
11/23/10 03:46 PM
11/23/10 03:46 PM
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Left Coast
BobR
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mopar is too dang expensive anything.....
i hear the " I can build a chevy for half the price " B.S.
true if you buy the run of the mill parts.
it doesnt make a difference $$$ when you get to the caliber of motors that you need to compete whether its a mopar, ford , or chevy
just ask one of the GOOD high end engine builders.
Absolutely correct. Going fast is expensive no matter the brand. For boosted applications the hemis have an advantage over all of them but it's still expensive. Any make body can be mounted on any chassis. There is no real advantage there for any of them.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
#858907
11/23/10 04:09 PM
11/23/10 04:09 PM
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Oklahoma
silverfish
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I'd be in.......and Smothers Supercars will throw $1,000 into the pot also......
I like 1/4 mile racing, but I think 1/8 would be better for this so the racing would be closer.......
So, will it be 100% Grudge Run What You Brung, or will there be rules?
If there will be rules, how about this?
Mickey Thompson
any tire marked to 28.0/10.5 including the W tire
any tire marked to 29.5/10.5 non W
Mickey Thompson ET Street
any tire up to the 28/13.50 or 30/12.50
Mickey Thompson ET Drag Radial or
Hoosier DOT Drag Radial
any Radial no larger than 15" wheel diameter.
Hoosier
any slick marked to 29.5/10.5
[the 18192 and 18175 tires are not legal]
Phoenix
any tire marked to 29.5/10.5
Goodyear
any tire marked to 29.5/11.0
......and something like this for weights?
Blower or turbo big block 3450 lbs.
Nitrous big block 3450 lbs.
Naturally aspirated big block with non conventional heads 3250 lbs.
Nitrous small blocks inline heads 2900 lbs.
Turbo small blocks 3325 lbs.
Blower small blocks 3375 lbs.
Add 100 lbs. Alcohol EFI and Mechanical Injection.
Add 50 lbs. cast tunnel ram, 2 carburetors.
Add 25 lbs. ladder bars. (Classic Car*, all Trucks no addition)
F-1R blower Deduct 50 lbs.
Classic Car* Deduct 50 lbs.
Truck Deduct 50 lbs.
Leaf Springs Deduct 25 lbs.
Naturally aspirated deduct 300 lbs.
Any Tire factory specs for tread width less than 10.2" or diameter less than 28.2" deduct 25 Lbs.
Any DOT tire factory specs over 29.5" diameter and 11" tread width add 25 lbs.
I just copied the rules from the MakoTenFive website........
I don't think you would want that many rules for this type of race. If its going to be Mopar only then we have to be pretty easy on the rules or we will not have much of a car count. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those rules are bad or anything...just saying I feel we would have to be more flexible than that or nobody will show.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: silverfish]
#858908
11/23/10 04:22 PM
11/23/10 04:22 PM
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Plymouth Meeting, PA
bigtimeauto
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No gutted race cars,interior, roll up windows, no back seat ok but must be carpeted? tt5 or 315 tire say 2900lbs min?
street appearing
i'm coming 3300lbs myself.
BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: silverfish]
#858909
11/23/10 04:27 PM
11/23/10 04:27 PM
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North Cackilacky
sdaurity
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I'm in on this just give me the date. Long as the rods are in it I will come. The rules should be simple. Thats where pro-max failed.
-Stock front frame rail
-Back seat back-half/ no outlaw 10.5 cars
- Headlights, tail lights, etc. streetable equipment.
- No wheelie bars (really up to everybody else)
- 29's no w's or 315's or smaller
-SB 2800lbs
-BB 3000lbs
One day I will have something cool here.
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: ProStDodge]
#858917
11/23/10 05:56 PM
11/23/10 05:56 PM
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Charleston
sixpackgut
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I would have to say YES its dead.
ProMax Carbs tried to run Extreme street and Muscle Street classes at Mopar Nationals, and Monster Mopar in 2008 and 2009. These were basically muffler "street" classes with weight limits imposed to even out the big blocks and small blocks, broken into power added and non-power added classes. They got 4-6 cars between BOTH classes out of the 200+ cars racing at each event.
No way to get sponsors to support a prize purse in a class when only 2-3 cars participate.
Seemed no one wanted to spend $50 to enter a class when they thought someone was going to be faster. So one 9.80 all-motor car shows up and no other cars would enter the muscle street class.
The rules were fairly simple and I think they can still be found in the forums on the ProMax website.
KOS races did well in the late 90's and into about 2004. Then a few wicked fast cars were built, and everyone else seemed to be satisfied with taking their chances at bracket racing.
Index racing seems to draw racers much easier than heads-up now days. When they run a 6.50 race at a local 1/8 mile track, 15-20 cars would enter. The 10.00 1/4 mile classes seem to do well also.
Just my
Scott
Pro Max's rules were so out in left field it would have cost me over $1000 to try to run in it. a big Indy dominator intake is OK, but my standard port weiand tunnel ram invented in the 70s is a No Go. Give me a break! and the tire rules were even worse.
the problems with Heads Up Racing is there are always to many Rules. i would think that people build cars to there liking first then try to fit into a class second. anyone that fits into some of these classes just flat out gets lucky
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#858919
11/23/10 06:03 PM
11/23/10 06:03 PM
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Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people. If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.  This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#858920
11/23/10 06:06 PM
11/23/10 06:06 PM
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On the parachute mount
n20mstr
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less rules the better.... wheelie bars?? come on, you really want to wreck these cars?? Im almost hesitant to run against cars in the other lane that have no bars .these arent Mustangs and G body GM's that you find so cheap theses days.... while looking for a Duster for my son, i realized that these bodies rust free are getting so hard to find..I would like to come and play, but im not taking my bars off, honestly the way i use them it doesnt help me anyway, once you get as high as i go, it slows you down. IF people dont like bars, then make us run them high, say 10" off the ground 
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....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#858921
11/23/10 06:14 PM
11/23/10 06:14 PM
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Charleston
sixpackgut
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#858922
11/23/10 06:18 PM
11/23/10 06:18 PM
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sycamore,ohio
BobsProFab
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
i had to run in the ProMax Extreme class against the Nitrous cars with my N/A small block because i had ladder bars 
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Re: Is heads up racing dead in the mopar world?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#858923
11/23/10 06:20 PM
11/23/10 06:20 PM
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Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda
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I agree w/ sixpackgut...the rules run off a lot of people.
If you open up the rules and keep it simple, then you will have people complaining that the rules being so relaxed will result in the class being filled w/ race cars that run too fast.
This is just what I've seen from some so-called "street car shootouts" trying to get up and running.
Chip, since my car wasnt allowed in the Pro Max series, I really enjoyed watching you line up against cars that had to be towed to the line by golf carts. It had to be the most retarded rules BS i had ever seen. why were you in that class? because of your tire size? i cant remember
I had to run extreme street (the fast power adder class) b/c my block is aluminum.
I could have run the exact same combination in an iron block and run the all motor muscle street class. That made no sense to me, but I ran it anyway. 
Bobsprofab...I know exactly what you mean.
Last edited by a9sec70cuda; 11/23/10 06:22 PM.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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