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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: Black_Bee] #855091
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...Fwiw 14yrs ago
...62 Dodge (lighter B-body)
...3220-40 lbs (no back seat, race fronts seats),w/o driver
...452 cid 8.4 cr (.100"+ in the hole) forged.
...stock crank,& rods
...346 completely stock heads
...460 lift PAW cam
...Torquer intake
...800 Holley
...MSD 6AL
...1-7/8 fender wells
...4200 GER converter
...manual V/B pushbutton
...4.30 gear, 28 x 9 slick
...stock rear leafs w/ 2 clamp's per front segments, & a snuber
...7.82 et 1/8th that ='s ~ 12.20's in 1/4
...300 hp shot of N2O = 6.92 1/8th (with dancing main caps)

___changes to motor
...509 cam
...Crane rockers (1.5 off my shelf)
...electric water pump
...Hoosier 28 x 11.5 QTP
...7.57 et 1/8th ='s ~ 11.80's in 1/4

...EDIT: (Crane)

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What cam would you recommend? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #855092
11/16/10 07:27 PM
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This is a great topic,I am putting together a 68 440 for my 65 Coronet,my plans are for,
68 440 block that has already been bored .40
used MP 509 cam
cast flat top pistons
fresh stock 906 heads with good springs
Melling pump and a windage tray
10" street fighter
SS springs and 391's

Any advice on a carb,intake and ignition setup would be greatly appreciated.




you better have cut your heads or your block. Most cast pistons are way down in the hole and that 509 hates low compresson. Try a different cam.



Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #855093
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You can do it with 383's and SB's but it will cost you much more.





Not here. Paid $600 for my 340 engine, tore it down, replaced the rings and bearings and put it back together. Still has the factory rods with good bolts, and the original X heads. Added a Comp XE274 hydraulic cam, an Airgap intake, a 650 Holley, PTC 3,500 converter, SS springs, 3.91 gears. Ran 12.91 @ 103 mph with less than $2,000 invested in the engine. Car is heavy for an A-body too.




I meant in a B-body




Not here either!! STOCK OEM 383 shortblock,906's cut -.030,old Mopar street hemi grind cam, double roller chain,933 Mopar springs,valve job, TM-6 ,Holley 750 DP,Accel BEI ignition,1 7/8ths Hooker headers,4.10 gear 28" tire and 4-speed with Zoom clutch,ran 12.70's all day with M&H Muscclecar tires.Dad would hook the mufflers back up Sunday and drive to work M-F.


Nautilus Racing-
We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.
Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: Chris2581] #855094
11/17/10 05:49 AM
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My 12.48@108 combo,bone stock 71 440HP with a 533 hyd mopar cam,stock rockers.Stock 6 pack,8in ptc conv,727,4.10 dana,in a 3895lb 70 Roadrunner.Still have that engine sitting in the barn as a back up if my 11.50@117 engine brakes.

Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: greenpigs] #855095
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- 4275 lbs (at that time)
- 3.23
- 2.25" compression bent exhaust
- No headers
- Stock 12" converter (1800 rpm)
- P225 70 14 tires
- .030 over 440
- Ported heads 915s
- 6 Pack
- .455" MP cam

12.80s @ 108 mph

Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: BSB67] #855096
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My combo for my 90 dakota is pretty simple.
96 360 magnum
2.02 R/T heads with a little goldmember porting
pro products intake
750 D/P with choke horn cut off
.228 @.50 .488 lift? cam
727 w/ manual valve body
9.5 PTC converter
3.73s
325/50/15 drag radials on loan from goldmember
I took it to the track last night for the last wed. night test and tune and the conditions were very good.
R/T .037
60' 1.727
330 4.974
1/8 7.748
mph 87.84
1000 10.18
1/4 12.275
mph 107.44

The truck weighs 3500lbs with me in it.



90 Dakota 408 CID R/T heads 727 trans 9.5 converter 8.8 rear Pro 275/60 drag radials [email]11.09 @120mph[/email] N/A
Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: BSB67] #855097
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- 4275 lbs (at that time)
- 3.23
- 2.25" compression bent exhaust
- No headers
- Stock 12" converter (1800 rpm)
- P225 70 14 tires
- .030 over 440
- Ported heads 915s
- 6 Pack
- .455" MP cam

12.80s @ 108 mph




Wanna come tune my car?!


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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: StealthWedge67] #855098
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- 4275 lbs (at that time)
- 3.23
- 2.25" compression bent exhaust
- No headers
- Stock 12" converter (1800 rpm)
- P225 70 14 tires
- .030 over 440
- Ported heads 915s
- 6 Pack
- .455" MP cam

12.80s @ 108 mph




Wanna come tune my car?!






Funny you said that, as I was going to add that the results were after tuning, adjusting and changing stuff for a few years and probably 150+ passes at test and tune.

I have helped others and enjoy that as much as anything.

Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: BSB67] #855099
11/18/10 09:29 PM
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My combo is: 1972 340+.30, KB pistons,stock rods resized for arp bolts,484 purple shaft,eddy ootb open chamber heads,air gap manifold,750 vaccuum holley, getting fresh air from the six pac hood scoop,tti headers flowing through flowmasters all the way out to the tips,727 trans with manual valve body-and coan 3000 convertor. 8 3/4 rear with 3.73 gears with super stock springs and 11" drums. All in a 69 Dart weighing around 3200 without driver. Car has all original equipment intact. Best yet is 12.59 but usually in the 12.7-12.9 range and street driven.


416 stroker from Nick at Compu-flow. 11.14 in full street trim. Seems like a new best every time out.
11.06 open headers----so far!!
Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: StealthWedge67] #855100
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heres a bit of a different one..
-early 70's RV 413 (stock bottom end maybe 8.25-1)
-MP 484 cam
-M1 intake w/ 750 carb
-ported 906's
-10inch converter (using trans brake)
-4.10 gears (29x9 slick)
-36xx lbs.
- 12.70's @ 108 mph.
-heres a pic of the beast ..lol..amazing what we'll do to go racing aint it..
[image][/image]


-1967 Plymouth Satellite #3555
446 cid on E-85
best 1/4 et 10.577 @ 127.58
best 1/8 et 6.722 @ 100.68
best 60ft. 1.419
Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: racerAL] #855101
11/18/10 10:21 PM
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Well, I've apparently got way to much into my motor to be as slow as it is, but here's my entire combo that has gone 12.39 @ 110.


1967 Plymouth Satellite, Full interior, 3770 lbs with me in it.
400 block, .040 over
Forged 413 RB crank, (452 cubes)
Scat H-beam Rods
KB Icon forged pistons - 10.25:1
Mahle plasma-moly rings
(bobweight: 2314)
MP windage tray
OTB Stealth heads with 10* locks & retainers, & Engle double valve springs (350 lb. open)
Engle KV-3 solid flat tappet cam: square 252* @.050; .573 lift; 109* cl, installed straight up.
Performer RPM intake
Holley 830 cfm DP jetted 78f 84r
MSD Digital 6+ ignition w/ Mallory Mag-breakerless distributor - 36* total in at 3k.
Hooker Comp 1-7/8" headers to 3" dumps, down to 2-1/4" full exhaust with Flowmaster 40's
ACC 10" 3500 rpm converter
727 with Transgo Stage 2 kit
8-3/4" w/ 3.91:1 gears; sure grip.
Stock suspension with SSM lift bars, and Summit adjustable shocks
CE bolt in Frame connectors, welded in.
Hand-me-down 28x9x14 slicks mounted on 14x6 rims.

I've made 10 passes and haven't really done anything except mess with the jetting a little. I love the car, and am proud of the motor I built for right at 5-grand total. I am plenty confident that there's more in it, But I'm frustrated with what I see here..... i.e.: a lot of guys going WAY faster than me, with way less motor. I think that a set of better tires on the right rims will help a little, as its pretty skatey on the current slicks.

I think my combo SHOULD be somewhere near the 11.70's. I figure I'll have to make about 114mph to get there though.

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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: StealthWedge67] #855102
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Here's what it looks like under the hood. (pretty stealth)

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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: StealthWedge67] #855103
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And in the pits at Pacific, with my Dad.

6308662-PacificPits.jpg (360 downloads)
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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: StealthWedge67] #855104
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3800 pound 1969 Roadrunner
3.23 gears
J convertor
three inch system
440 10:3.1
906's with big valves and a little work
.509 MP Hyd
Eddy RPM w/ Eddy 800

Shifting below 5800

12.50's @ 107-108

Michael

Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: SILVER67] #855105
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Running 12's with a big block, especially a 440 doesn't take too much work.

My very first 440 car was a 1968 Coronet R/T. I took the stock 440, rebuilt it and only added a MP 484 lift cam, aftermarket intake, holley carb, and headers. With the stock 3.23 gears, I was running 13.3-13.4 & 103-104 mph in a full weight car.

Wanting to get into the 12s, I had the heads bowl blended (mild port job) and added 2.14 / 1.81 valves and changed the camshaft to something a tad bigger, I think it was the MP .509 lift cam. Same intake, carb, and exhaust. I did add 3.91 gears. Next run out, 12.49 @ 108 mph.

Finally, I dropped on some Edelbrock Heads, a Solid Tappet cam from Hughes and crane roller rockers. I also removed the stock steel hood, and added a year one fiberglass six pack hood to save some weight and look aggressive. I moved the battery to the trunk as well. I ran a 11.9 @ 114.5 mph the next time out. 60 ft times were 1.75.

-dan

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1970 Plymouth Cuda
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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: BigDaddy440] #855106
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My old 383 Dart. This was my Dart before my son bought it and I had a mild 383 in it. It was a stock 1970 shortblock that I cut the 452 heads and decked the block to get a true 9.5 comp. It was stock pistons in the stock bore. I used the MP .484 cam and stock valvetrain including stock rockers. Had Comp single springs on the 452 heads and we did some mild pocket porting on the heads. I had the Performer RPM intake and a 750 DP. CPPA 2" headers and we used a stock dist I recurved. It had a Turbo Action 10" tight 3000 converter and a RMVB. Had an 8-3/4 with 3.91's and used McCreary G/60-15's which hooked good on that car. It weighed just over 3500 with me in it and ran a best of 12.31 @ 110. I was very pleased how well that car ran with that so mild 383. It now belongs to my son and has a .030 over 400 (406) in it and has run 11.40's. Ya cant tell me 383's dont run good. Ron




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Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: 383man] #855107
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Here it is now with the 400 in it. And it is a great race with me and my 63 as both have run 11.40's. Ron




Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: BigDaddy440] #855108
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My old '64 Fury:
440 .040 over, stock crank, 440source rods (I didn't have any good LY's at the time), true 10.03:1 compression, .509 cam in at 4* advanced, home ported 346 heads that I did when i was 16 using the MP templates and blending the bowl into the runner... eddy rpm and holley 850 dp, stock electronic ignition with orange box, 1 3/4 hedman's with homemade 3" exhaust with flowmaster-type mufflers ending before the axle.. 4200 flash 9.5" ptc, 3.91's and 275 drag radials. 3525lb with driver....11.74@114 through the mufflers on pump gas.

Re: 12 Second combos & what it took to get it? [Re: 383man] #855109
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The 383. Ron




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The 400. Ron



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