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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: moparpilot1]
#852818
11/13/10 09:38 PM
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Almost called you yesterday to see how you made out. I guess you haven't heard back from Brandon yet. Hope everything works out.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Triple Threat]
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11/14/10 06:18 AM
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why are they cracking? too much power? un-true surfaces being clamped down causing too much flex?
or are they simply too brittle?
anyone done any analysis on them to find out why they've cracked?
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: The Cuda Guy]
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11/14/10 10:42 AM
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Posts like this make me very nervous! I have a set of cnc stealths Im putting on my 493.
Don
You should probably not use those, PM me I might take em off your hands, just to help you out. 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Thor500]
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11/14/10 10:51 AM
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Guy here had a brand new set crack and blow head gaskets on the same run. They sent him new heads and told him to torque them to like 55ft.lbs. Said they dont need to be torqued like a set of Edelbrocks or Indy's. To me that says the material must be cheaper quality and softer...??? For what its worth, he did torque them to 55ftlbs. and they are working fine....for now.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: DaKuda]
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11/14/10 11:11 AM
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Guy here had a brand new set crack and blow head gaskets on the same run. They sent him new heads and told him to torque them to like 55ft.lbs. Said they dont need to be torqued like a set of Edelbrocks or Indy's. To me that says the material must be cheaper quality and softer...??? For what its worth, he did torque them to 55ftlbs. and they are working fine....for now.
if they were softer, they wouldn't crack, they would deform, warp, bend, etc. soft metal does not crack, hard metal does.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: moparpilot1]
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11/14/10 01:30 PM
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i had a set crack a couple of years ago. both heads cracked badly, and in the same places. my guess is the heat treat was incorrect. 440source sent new heads, and it made it through a full season.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Quicktree]
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11/14/10 02:20 PM
11/14/10 02:20 PM
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you guys could have bought some eddy's and been way ahead of the game. enjoy the chinese quality.....
I have Indys on my race motors. I bought Stealths because I can paint them and they look totally stock. IF they made Eddies that looked stock on the outside I would have bought them in a second.
For now the Stealth is the only game in town if you want aluminum heads that look stock. It wasn't really a price thing with me, it was the visual appeal they have for my resto cars. I will say though that they are getting new valves, springs, keepers, and a thorough going through before they get bolted on my engine. I essentially bought them for the casting.
-Dave
PLEASE Pray for our brothers and sisters in harms way. If you are the owner of a GTS us at the GTS Registry www.gtsregistry.com
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: moparniac]
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11/14/10 02:35 PM
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StealthWedge67
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Guy here had a brand new set crack and blow head gaskets on the same run. They sent him new heads and told him to torque them to like 55ft.lbs. Said they dont need to be torqued like a set of Edelbrocks or Indy's. To me that says the material must be cheaper quality and softer...??? For what its worth, he did torque them to 55ftlbs. and they are working fine....for now.
Wonder why he didn't tell customers that from the start.... Then say send em back and only torque new ones to 55!
My Stealth heads came with specific torque instructions that said 60 ft/lbs with ARP lube, or 70 ft/lbs with 30 wt. oil. I was using 30 wt., so went to 70 lbs in (3) incremental steps. No problems here. These were shipped to me in Dec. '09, have approx. a thousand miles on them now, with plenty of trips to 6500 RPM, no issues.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Quicktree]
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11/14/10 02:43 PM
11/14/10 02:43 PM
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you guys could have bought some eddy's and been way ahead of the game. enjoy the chinese quality.....
  
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Challenger]
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11/14/10 05:04 PM
11/14/10 05:04 PM
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Didnt some of the early versions have the alignment hole for the dowels not deep enough causing them to crack??
No not removing or checking the dowel pins and crankng them down caused that problem.
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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11/14/10 05:53 PM
11/14/10 05:53 PM
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Here's the suggested solution straight from the foundry...
lmao!!!
Its says to use grue...
And to "torque over not prugs of spark..." 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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11/14/10 06:27 PM
11/14/10 06:27 PM
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DaKuda
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Guy here had a brand new set crack and blow head gaskets on the same run. They sent him new heads and told him to torque them to like 55ft.lbs. Said they dont need to be torqued like a set of Edelbrocks or Indy's. To me that says the material must be cheaper quality and softer...??? For what its worth, he did torque them to 55ftlbs. and they are working fine....for now.
if they were softer, they wouldn't crack, they would deform, warp, bend, etc. soft metal does not crack, hard metal does.
Tell them that....that was their response AND they replaced them...???
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: The Sphinx]
#852846
11/14/10 07:01 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms
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I have Indys on my race motors. I bought Stealths because I can paint them and they look totally stock. IF they made Eddies that looked stock on the outside I would have bought them in a second.
For now the Stealth is the only game in town if you want aluminum heads that look stock. It wasn't really a price thing with me, it was the visual appeal they have for my resto cars. I will say though that they are getting new valves, springs, keepers, and a thorough going through before they get bolted on my engine. I essentially bought them for the casting.
-Dave
100%
I wish there was a "Stealth" SB head available these days as well but it seems that all the head manufacturers have their "racer blinders" on and are ignoring the market segment that wants a stock appearance.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Challenger 1]
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11/14/10 09:59 PM
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therocks
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Mine were the first ones.Been running to 7K on a regular basis street and strip.No problems at all.Rocky
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: therocks]
#852855
11/14/10 10:20 PM
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Quicktree
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Mine were the first ones.Been running to 7K on a regular basis street and strip.No problems at all.Rocky
see there you guys just think you see cracks 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Quicktree]
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11/15/10 01:45 AM
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sorry to hijack the thread, but is anyone running the pro-comp heads?
i would love to see one of the mopar mags do a chineese 440 build .... only thing American made would be the block.
1966 Dart GT
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 340duster340]
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11/15/10 07:22 AM
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sorry to hijack the thread, but is anyone running the pro-comp heads?
i would love to see one of the mopar mags do a chineese 440 build .... only thing American made would be the block.
do you love the chinese?
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 340duster340]
#852859
11/15/10 08:57 AM
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sorry to hijack the thread, but is anyone running the pro-comp heads?
i would love to see one of the mopar mags do a chineese 440 build .... only thing American made would be the block.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 340duster340]
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11/15/10 10:52 AM
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i would love to see one of the mopar mags do a chineese 440 build .... only thing American made would be the block.
They did, not sure if the cheap valve in the cheap aluminum head broke, or the cheap rocker arm broke, or the cheap eagle connecting rod broke or the cheap aluminum water pump housing with it's restrictive ports caused the thermo-nuclear meltdown.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: The Sphinx]
#852861
11/15/10 01:41 PM
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organ
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situation deteriorating, over?
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: topside]
#852863
11/15/10 03:14 PM
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Thigh-Gap Junction
@#$%&*!
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...I really like the idea of a stock-looking aluminum head with good architecture...
I wonder how hard it would be to program a CNC to make the Eddies look like a '906?
 
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/15/10 04:33 PM
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...I really like the idea of a stock-looking aluminum head with good architecture...
I wonder how hard it would be to program a CNC to make the Eddies look like a '906?
Not very , but you then would need to ADJUST the surface to LOOK like cast iron.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: topside]
#852866
11/15/10 07:20 PM
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If you're going to use Stealth heads then 1) buy them unported and leave them like that or 2) buy them with the CNC porting done. Brandon has replaced the cracked heads so have him stand behind the one you are going to use on your engine. If one breaks and you have had your LOCAL guy do the porting you'll be that much more in the hole to have one head re-worked.
dstryr, since 1986.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 70Cuda383]
#852870
11/16/10 01:31 AM
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Sinitro
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why are they cracking? too much power? un-true surfaces being clamped down causing too much flex?
or are they simply too brittle?
anyone done any analysis on them to find out why they've cracked?
They crack due to an ineffective QA process in China. In China it is pertinent to have a local QA inspection team that monitors the entire process from raw material procurement to the actual casting..
Without this and a tite audit process, all bets are off.
The China sources will do all sorts of short cuts & tricks when they are not titely monitored and controlled..
We have been sourcing electronic components from China for over 20 years with an average annual $ value of >$10 million. So yes we know something about the Chinese system & culture.. 
Just my $0.02... 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: dOoC]
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11/16/10 06:24 AM
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With a few exceptions, Stealth heads only fool non-expert folks, who are almost all just as easily fooled by any of the other aluminum heads when painted with a good coat of Hemi orange. All it takes is a quick glance along the intake manifold or lower headbolt bosses for a Moparts member or a savy Mopar-knowledgable buff to spot the Stealths. Overall, for the money, they are a great head.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: jbc426]
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11/16/10 09:52 AM
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540challenger
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With a few exceptions, Stealth heads only fool non-expert folks, who are almost all just as easily fooled by any of the other aluminum heads when painted with a good coat of Hemi orange. All it takes is a quick glance along the intake manifold or lower headbolt bosses for a Moparts member or a savy Mopar-knowledgable buff to spot the Stealths. Overall, for the money, they are a great head.
True but for the other 90% of the car guys "non-mopar" they think 318's are big blocks so if they do see a difference tell tell them its special mopar head desigh of a fuelie head 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 540challenger]
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11/16/10 01:26 PM
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jbc426
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With a few exceptions, Stealth heads only fool non-expert folks, who are almost all just as easily fooled by any of the other aluminum heads when painted with a good coat of Hemi orange. All it takes is a quick glance along the intake manifold or lower headbolt bosses for a Moparts member or a savy Mopar-knowledgable buff to spot the Stealths. Overall, for the money, they are a great head.
True but for the other 90% of the car guys "non-mopar" they think 318's are big blocks so if they do see a difference tell tell them its special mopar head desigh of a fuelie head
Yah, especially those 'big block" 318 poly motors.... Here's a "before paint" shot of my Indy EZ's.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: jbc426]
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11/16/10 01:31 PM
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jbc426
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With a few exceptions, Stealth heads only fool non-expert folks, who are almost all just as easily fooled by any of the other aluminum heads when painted with a good coat of Hemi orange. All it takes is a quick glance along the intake manifold or lower headbolt bosses for a Moparts member or a savy Mopar-knowledgable buff to spot the Stealths. Overall, for the money, they are a great head.
True but for the other 90% of the car guys "non-mopar" they think 318's are big blocks so if they do see a difference tell tell them its special mopar head desigh of a fuelie head
Yah, especially those 'big block" 318 poly motors. Here's a before paint shot of my Indy EZ's
...and here's a shot of my "stealth" Indy EZ's.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: jbc426]
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11/16/10 01:34 PM
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With a few exceptions, Stealth heads only fool non-expert folks, who are almost all just as easily fooled by any of the other aluminum heads when painted with a good coat of Hemi orange. All it takes is a quick glance along the intake manifold or lower headbolt bosses for a Moparts member or a savy Mopar-knowledgable buff to spot the Stealths. Overall, for the money, they are a great head.
True but for the other 90% of the car guys "non-mopar" they think 318's are big blocks so if they do see a difference tell tell them its special mopar head desigh of a fuelie head
Yah, especially those 'big block" 318 poly motors. Here's a before paint shot of my Indy EZ's
...and here's a shot of my "stealth" Indy EZ's.
....and for the full effect. No cracks!
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: jbc426]
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11/16/10 03:46 PM
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That does look nice, jbc426! Its really hard to tell with the brackets all on.  what valve covers are those? 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: B1Fish540]
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11/16/10 05:50 PM
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Thanks! It did come out stealthy enough to fool the un-enlightened. DennisH traded me for those. I believe they are from a 1971, but I'm not sure. I've even practiced my basic story line a bit, "Oh yah, it's stock other than headers, upgraded fuel system and MSD ignition. Why, did you want to race?" 
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: jbc426]
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11/16/10 07:27 PM
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Wendy, I'm home.
dstryr
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Thanks! It did come out stealthy enough to fool the un-enlightened. DennisH traded me for those. I believe they are from a 1971, but I'm not sure.
I've even practiced my basic story line a bit, "Oh yah, it's stock other than headers, upgraded fuel system and MSD ignition. Why, did you want to race?"
How 'bout that? Mine's stock, too, 'cept for the headers and Pertronix...
dstryr, since 1986.
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: dstryr]
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11/16/10 08:13 PM
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Big Squeeze
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Here's one that's really stock...... and, yes, they're the non crack American made version.........  
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: moparpilot1]
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11/16/10 08:23 PM
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It might be an old batch that has heat treat problems. Same thing happened to me, 440 source replaced the two heads. I was the original buyer from 440 source and I send pictures thorugh internet and the casting number, they replaced the heads and also paid the shipping cost to Peru. that was in the beggining of 2010, after the replacemnet of the heads I had no problems with the new ones. the car now runs consistently 9.80s in a 512 big block(customer car)
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 440sourcedotcom]
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11/16/10 10:06 PM
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Hey Brandon,
Is there some kind of identifying mark, or # on that particular production run?? I bought a set from you through Scott at "Mopar Mafia" Racing 2 years ago. I picked them up along with a few other pieces at Norwalk OH. at The Classic race.
"I've upped my horsepower, so...... UP YOURS!!!"
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 440sourcedotcom]
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11/16/10 11:52 PM
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We have discussed this before on other threads. We did have ONE production run which had aluminum which was subject to the cracks. It has never happened before or since. We have extended the warranty from our normal 45 days to almost two and a half years for those who had issues with cracks from that one production run.
The OP does not mention he bought the head in question on 08/13/2008, well over two years ago.
Wow!!!45 day warranty 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: cbarracuda]
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11/17/10 10:53 AM
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my olso was and older set bat car fist rums was in the beggining of 2010
Are you trying to say you got your originals in 2010 or the new ones? 
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 11:34 AM
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Thanks! It did come out stealthy enough to fool the un-enlightened. DennisH traded me for those. I believe they are from a 1971, but I'm not sure.
I've even practiced my basic story line a bit, "Oh yah, it's stock other than headers, upgraded fuel system and MSD ignition. Why, did you want to race?"
That's a 70/ very early 71 valve cover.
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 11:46 AM
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So I guess you have to buy Stealth heads the day you intend to start driving the car! LOL!!!!
Get what you pay for???????????
so your saying that with any other manufactorer you can buy their stuff, put it on a shelf for 2 years and its still under warranty because you didnt use it?? LOL...good luck with that!
does your sig line apply here also ???
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 11:56 AM
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....to think that a part under warranty will stay under warranty for years after the purchase because you never got around to using it is ridiculous...if the place you bought it from does warranty it then I see that as pretty dang good customer service....I wouldnt say its a fact JohnRR...more of just being COMMON SENSE
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Re: stealth head cracked
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I have a set of stealths and they have not cracked after a full summer of driving (purchased in 09). That being said, there is no reason a new cylinder head should crack, so I agree those heads should be replaced, especially since there is a batch out there with the same problem. If it was an isolated incident, and two years after purchase...different story.
As for the appearance (one of the big selling points for me), you have got to be kidding me that they are easy to detect. If you are looking that closely to notice the difference, maybe you're spending a little too much time picking apart ones engine. The average Mopar joe will not notice the difference at normal glance...
And those referencing their awesome 40+ year old stock (non-crack) heads - if your heads are ported to flow anywhere in the neighborhood of a Stealth head, you might not want to be too confident about the no crack thing.
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 03:19 PM
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And those referencing their awesome 40+ year old stock (non-crack) heads - if your heads are ported to flow anywhere in the neighborhood of a Stealth head, you might not want to be too confident about the no crack thing.
If you were referring to my post, the motor in the pic has the non crack aluminum heads made in America, Edelbrocks...... 
ah, see what i mean! At quick glance I couldn't even tell those were Edelbrocks. Nice work, Big Squeeze
I keep mentioning it, but I do believe the stock valve covers are the secret. Now, if they would just make some that are a little taller. Did you ever check the clearence with your new 1.6 rockers?
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 04:17 PM
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I keep mentioning it, but I do believe the stock valve covers are the secret. Now, if they would just make some that are a little taller. Did you ever check the clearence with your new 1.6 rockers?
I agree, the painted stock valve covers are a must, and yes the 1.6's clear (or they clearanced themselves!  )
cool! I have some Moroso alum. ones that look just like stock but taller. Unfortunately, they have the Moroso name on them...maybe they would come out with a "no-logo" cover for us if enuff asked about it.
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 04:21 PM
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realistically who figures out their build and orders every single thing the same day for your engine? most orders parts and build up the combo! most shops know this! this isnt a warranty issue but more an integrity issue IMO There was lifter recalls from source also before!
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: Quicksilver440]
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11/17/10 05:23 PM
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I don't have a stake in this one way or another....I have Eddy heads.
Integrity issue? They are replacing them....sounds like decent Integrity to me. Also...concerning recalls....if they recall them, that's better than just ignoring the problem like many do.
Also...when people buy budget/chinese parts...they are taking chances. That's why the parts are cheaper! Do people buy Harbor freight tools expecting snap-on quality? NOPE! Why do people expect race parts to be any different?
If I buy a tool at harbor freight...if it works once or twice then great...if not, then I still got what I paid for.
just my opinion....
Well said.
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Re: stealth head cracked
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I don't have a stake in this one way or another....I have Eddy heads.
Integrity issue? They are replacing them....sounds like decent Integrity to me. Also...concerning recalls....if they recall them, that's better than just ignoring the problem like many do.
Also...when people buy budget/chinese parts...they are taking chances. That's why the parts are cheaper! Do people buy Harbor freight tools expecting snap-on quality? NOPE! Why do people expect race parts to be any different?
If I buy a tool at harbor freight...if it works once or twice then great...if not, then I still got what I paid for.
just my opinion....
Well said.
Couldn't have been said any better.
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Re: stealth head cracked
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Do people buy Harbor freight tools expecting snap-on quality? NOPE! Why do people expect race parts to be any different?
If I buy a tool at harbor freight...if it works once or twice then great...if not, then I still got what I paid for.
just my opinion....
NOT a very good comparison ....IMO.
HF tools IN FACT have a BESTer guarantee than SO !! 
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: 440sourcedotcom]
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11/17/10 06:19 PM
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So how do I tell if I have a set from the affected batch? I am getting ready to start my engine...
-Michael
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/17/10 07:13 PM
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all is right on moparts again , it's been awhile since there was a real source CJ ... er ... love fest ...
Lets have a group hug ...
John you had it right the first time. 
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 07:46 PM
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So how do I tell if I have a set from the affected batch? I am getting ready to start my engine...
-Michael
Sound like your well on your way to finding out
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 08:24 PM
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quik you must not have read my post right! as far as integrity issue as being the head is a bad casting and needed to be exchanged and not some "its outta 45 day warranty deal" and not exchanging it
Sorry about that Sledgie.... 
I agree with you....
I think Brandon was just trying to make sure that everyone knew he is still taking care of it 2 years later...when some MFG's would just say "Sorry, your out of the warranty period".
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 08:29 PM
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I think Brandon can through again and satisfied another customer that had a problem. My only issue is I have two brand new sets sitting here from the first batch. Before I buy new springs, retainers, keepers, and invest my time porting them are they from the bad batch also. I would rather eat the loss than to port and sell them to someone. What was the affected time period and has the issue been resolved?
Good question...
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Re: stealth head cracked
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11/17/10 11:05 PM
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I think Brandon can through again and satisfied another customer that had a problem. My only issue is I have two brand new sets sitting here from the first batch. Before I buy new springs, retainers, keepers, and invest my time porting them are they from the bad batch also. I would rather eat the loss than to port and sell them to someone. What was the affected time period and has the issue been resolved?
Basic question is..
What is the warranty?
If the components are new and unused, they should be exchanged by the vendor if there is a known, confirmed defect. Then the vendor in turn goes back to the prime source factory for either $ compensation or inventory changeover for good, quality products. Also the vendor should have in place a purchase supply agreement with the source factory which includes a warranty policy...
Just my $0.02...
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Re: stealth head cracked
[Re: cbarracuda]
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Not a fair comparation. If You guys want to pay 3000 for a USA crank it's ok. I'm personally happy with my Chinese crank(SCAT) that cost me $800 on my small block. One customer over has a 500 stoker from 440s that was biuld in 2007. We are going to freshen it up this year but I was still running strong.
You are correct..
The proper way is to judge the differences in $..
If the lower cost product meets all of the expectations & performance requirements, then all is well..
We have known Brandon for several years and know many local SoCal Mopar guys running his stuff..
Yes...
@ times problems have arose and in the majority of cases, Brandon has stepped up to settle the issue. Major damage is done when the problem gets amplified/expanded on an internet thread. It is best to address it before it goes that far...
Just my $0.02...
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Re: stealth head cracked
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Not a fair comparation. If You guys want to pay 3000 for a USA crank it's ok. I'm personally happy with my Chinese crank(SCAT) that cost me $800 on my small block. One customer over has a 500 stoker from 440s that was biuld in 2007. We are going to freshen it up this year but I was still running strong.
You are correct..
The proper way is to judge the differences in $..
If the lower cost product meets all of the expectations & performance requirements, then all is well..
We have known Brandon for several years and know many local SoCal Mopar guys running his stuff..
Yes...
@ times problems have arose and in the majority of cases, Brandon has stepped up to settle the issue. Major damage is done when the problem gets amplified/expanded on an internet thread. It is best to address it before it goes that far...
Just my $0.02...
There seem to be different levels of quality from China, as well. I see the SCAT cranks have about the best reputation, then, Ohio Cranks, K1, and on down the line. Many people think Eagle stuff is great, too, but I dont know. Brandon's stuff is probably as good or better than most of them...plus he is "Mopar Only" and thats extra credit for him, imho.
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Those heads were a smoking deal! If I rem correctly $1300.00
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