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Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: all spooled up] #845381
11/04/10 12:17 PM
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phill is that on moter or nos




Thats with a 150 hit, will loose a tenth just on motor to a 1.45 or so.

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: Big Squeeze] #845382
11/04/10 12:20 PM
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Like Chip mentioned, I bet the guys that go faster with radials either have a rim that's too narrow or the sidewalls are dead......






the above statement applies to 90% of the improvmenets that guys claim from a new tire size or brand change. More so the dead sidewalls. We tend to pay much more attention to wear on circumferance than sidewalls. I have seen improvments equal to what claims are made here regarding switch to radials that came fom putting tubes in tires that had dead walls.


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Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: HEMIFRED] #845383
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The radial, of comparable size, provided you can hook it, will be faster than the bias tire, every time. The radial tire construction, is simply better. Yes the sidewall is stiffer, but the tire as a whole is stiffer. The tire stays more "round" during the run, which is quicker and faster. We run both slicks and radials. With identical tune ups and identical 60fts, the 330 and 660 numbers, are quicker with radials, EVERY time.

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Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: Monte_Smith] #845384
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The radial, of comparable size, provided you can hook it, will be faster than the bias tire, every time. The radial tire construction, is simply better. Yes the sidewall is stiffer, but the tire as a whole is stiffer. The tire stays more "round" during the run, which is quicker and faster. We run both slicks and radials. With identical tune ups and identical 60fts, the 330 and 660 numbers, are quicker with radials, EVERY time.

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But when the hook goes away it won't recover without pedaling on a car with any power. Even when pedaled it's hard to get them stuck again. I know these tires are resposible for some fan interest.

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: BobR] #845385
11/04/10 12:39 PM
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im going to a 325/50r15 on 12 rim

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: Monte_Smith] #845386
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My experience falls in line with most here. The radials either hook or spin hard. My Dart was quicker and faster with the radials than it was with new slicks, 275/60 MT ET Streets and new 28 X 9 MT slicks.

I haven't tried slicks with the 408, it has gone 1.38 60' on pump 93 with no power adders on a 325/50 MT ET Street Radial. Over the winter I plan on buying a extra set of rear wheels and a new pair of slicks. There is only one track here that it will consistently hook at with the radials. I bracket race so it will run on slicks next year.

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: BobR] #845387
11/04/10 01:09 PM
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This is hard to articulate, but I'll try.

I always consider that most all things your car does takes energy to make that thing happen. This energy is supplied in the form of torque from the motor. Anything that takes energy without effectively moving the car forward steals that much energy / power from your ultimate goal of getting to the stripe. Now, A bias tire with softer sidewalls flexes much more at the sidewall (and I believe in the treadpatch) than a radial tire. Flexing the tire takes energy. This energy that is used to flex the tire is energy that dies in the tire, and is not transferred to the track. The stiffer radial tire flexes less, and thus is more effective at transferring all the energy its recieving into rolling force.

The flex is also what makes them hook, so its a double edged sword. But, as said, as long as the radial tire hooks, you're now using more effective energy to push you forward, as less is spent flexing the tire. I think this same principal can be applied to rear suspension (but thats another discussion).

Also, as far as growth. My philosopy here is that growth will only help if you're at the end of your motor's power range, and it needs more gear. If you're still in your effective power range at the top of the track, then you don't want growth, the lower effective gear ratio offered by the non-growing tire will offer acceleration at a faster rate than the higher effective gear.

These are merely my thoughts as a reasonably intelligent person, offered up for discussion. Your thoughts may vary.


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Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: BobR] #845388
11/04/10 01:59 PM
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The radial, of comparable size, provided you can hook it, will be faster than the bias tire, every time. The radial tire construction, is simply better. Yes the sidewall is stiffer, but the tire as a whole is stiffer. The tire stays more "round" during the run, which is quicker and faster. We run both slicks and radials. With identical tune ups and identical 60fts, the 330 and 660 numbers, are quicker with radials, EVERY time.

Monte




But when the hook goes away it won't recover without pedaling on a car with any power. Even when pedaled it's hard to get them stuck again. I know these tires are resposible for some fan interest.




That's it exactly. Once mine decide to fry, then the run's done...no ifs,ands, or buts. Only way to get them to hook after that is either back peddle severely or try an upshift(short shift) to the next gear.
Personally, when my radials loose it, I can easily cover the whole width of the track for the first 300 feet....sometimes not a fun ride.
Great for the fans, but hell on the driver.

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: tboomer] #845389
11/04/10 02:20 PM
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Are we discussing treaded radial race tyres or radial slicks? I've found that a radial slick will et and 60ft better but are not as forgiving on less well prepped tracks.
I've no experience with the treaded radial race tyres but have listened to many tales of mixed results with them, seems they will work well on a good track, similar to the above.


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Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: Tig] #845390
11/04/10 03:35 PM
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The OP was refering to ET Street Radials, so they do have a tread design.
Personally I have seen a few guys at our local track running just radial slicks. They have pretty well the same problems as the street radials.Both them and myself usually just hope the track stays together for the final rounds.

Re: reg slicks to drag radial lower et [Re: superwrench] #845391
11/05/10 04:11 PM
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