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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
#835514
10/21/10 06:19 PM
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Stanton..I guess others have done it with success!  I'll be using the Right Stuff,and make sure it sets up before putting everything back together!  
Do it all the time,nice thick bead,set the manifold in place and just snug the bolts and let cure,then retighten.Treat it the same as when you fill the gap between the manifold and rails at the front and back of the block when you eliminate the gaskets.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: VernMotor]
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10/21/10 08:09 PM
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The stock tin pans work great til you port the heads, then it is time consuming to port the pan to match, but it works. I have the Indy plate also but I paid a machine shop to cut it down the center in half. Now it's easy to remove/install with the heads on. A couple weeks ago I had to replace one head gasket so I just removed one side of the valley plate. Mine has the same size gaps as yours and I've sealed it up with grey or black RTV with no problems. It might be too hard to remove down the road if you use the 'Right Stuff'. 
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: ProSport]
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10/21/10 08:39 PM
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Did you set the intake on there to see if it hits the Indy plate?
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
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10/21/10 10:49 PM
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Glad it will work for ya...MSP to Michigan and intalled in 22 hrs...
The little old lady from Pasadena is back!
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Barnstorm]
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10/21/10 11:53 PM
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Bill..that WAS a pretty fast delivery! That just proves a government-run agency can actually come through once in a while!  Vern,I had the same thing happen 3 yrs. ago...paper gaskets deteriorated,and oil was being sucked into the intake ports! NOT GOOD!  Re-did it using tin valley gasket and paper gaskets again. Was fine until just recently! I noticed oil on the threads and insulator,also on the strap! Plugs were oil-fouled terribly! It's a wonder it even started,and ran! It also had a noticeable miss at idle! Pulled the intake...same as last time! Oil got through to the ports AGAIN!  Last straw for me!  A lot of you guys have NEVER had this issue...all I can say is Good for You! Dave,before I dabbed some silicon on the intake gaskets and lightly "bolted" them into position,I dropped the M-1 down on the heads with gaskets in between,and there was no interference with the plate! Sean(Hardcore B)suggested I slot the bolt holes on the plate to even the gap on both sides...since it's wider on the right! GREAT idea that will be done! Thanks Sean!  He thinks the gap is no big deal as well,and HIGHLY recommends using the Right Stuff..which I plan on doing! Thank You ALL for your help on this little X-periment!  Keeping my fingers crossed this will solve the oil issue!  RandyB
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
#835527
10/22/10 05:34 PM
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That looks nice on there Randy. That should take care of the oil issue nicely and you'll be all set to have the intake ports hogged out later on. BTW not sure why your previous thread was deleted, I was just givin' you grief about having a parts wanted ad and so forth (almost like you were gonna sneak in a port job at the same time?) and didn't mean anything by it 
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: RATTRAP]
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10/25/10 09:25 AM
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I can see that baby leekin oil, I would mod the vally tray to control the gap, Indy's engineering of the vally tray lacks any thought at all on there part.
I'll have to respectfully disagree.We have been using the Indy plates on 100s of engine builds since 1999 and never have any issues if sealed properly.We even modify the plates to be removed and installed with the heads in place.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
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10/25/10 12:52 PM
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Looks good! To those complaining about the gap being wide...it doesn't look much different than the gap that's there when you use this plate w/ Indy heads like it was designed for. I've never had one leak.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: B G Racing]
#835538
10/25/10 12:54 PM
10/25/10 12:54 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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We even modify the plates to be removed and installed with the heads in place.
You wouldn't have a photo of one of these - or a brief explanation of how you do it? What do you charge (I supply the plate).
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
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10/25/10 10:22 PM
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Bill..that WAS a pretty fast delivery! That just proves a government-run agency can actually come through once in a while! Vern,I had the same thing happen 3 yrs. ago...paper gaskets deteriorated,and oil was being sucked into the intake ports! NOT GOOD! Re-did it using tin valley gasket and paper gaskets again. Was fine until just recently! I noticed oil on the threads and insulator,also on the strap! Plugs were oil-fouled terribly! It's a wonder it even started,and ran! It also had a noticeable miss at idle! Pulled the intake...same as last time! Oil got through to the ports AGAIN! Last straw for me! A lot of you guys have NEVER had this issue...all I can say is Good for You! Dave,before I dabbed some silicon on the intake gaskets and lightly "bolted" them into position,I dropped the M-1 down on the heads with gaskets in between,and there was no interference with the plate! Sean(Hardcore B)suggested I slot the bolt holes on the plate to even the gap on both sides...since it's wider on the right! GREAT idea that will be done! Thanks Sean! He thinks the gap is no big deal as well,and HIGHLY recommends using the Right Stuff..which I plan on doing! Thank You ALL for your help on this little X-periment! Keeping my fingers crossed this will solve the oil issue! RandyB
Not to be a buzz kill but been there, done that  Had the same gap on one side filled it with permatex copper silicone. Within a week I noticed a puddle of oil under the intake. I resealed the valley cover at least 3 times before I gave up and installed the stock valley pan. I have had zero problems in 2 years since installing the stock valley pan I think the Indy cover would work well with there heads.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: B G Racing]
#835542
10/25/10 11:02 PM
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It's a very simple process,we set it in an end mill and take a few passes off each side till it can be installed.We apply RTV to the end rails and drop one side in first then center it up with the bolts,We then apply a bead down both sides and each corner(some times we smooth the bead).One stock or aftermarket heads that have larger gaps we use the full face gaskets and a heavy bead and set the manifold in place,snug the bolts and after full cure tighten the manifold bolts.
For some silly reason I thought you meant removing the pan without removing the "Indy" heads !!!!
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
#835543
10/26/10 12:05 AM
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I gave up on these silicone/rubber/cork etc gaskets for some "paper" gaskets that Ray Barton gave me years ago. If you have machines surfaces I'm sure Roadhazard has some good ones. No silicone, permetex,wire cores..flat on flat and just snug them.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Stanton]
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10/26/10 03:43 AM
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It's a very simple process,we set it in an end mill and take a few passes off each side till it can be installed.We apply RTV to the end rails and drop one side in first then center it up with the bolts,We then apply a bead down both sides and each corner(some times we smooth the bead).One stock or aftermarket heads that have larger gaps we use the full face gaskets and a heavy bead and set the manifold in place,snug the bolts and after full cure tighten the manifold bolts.
For some silly reason I thought you meant removing the pan without removing the "Indy" heads !!!!
That's exactly why we do it,so that the valley plate can be removed with out removing the heads.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: ccdave]
#835546
10/26/10 06:54 AM
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Not to be a buzz kill but been there, done that Had the same gap on one side filled it with permatex copper silicone. Within a week I noticed a puddle of oil under the intake. I resealed the valley cover at least 3 times before I gave up and installed the stock valley pan. I have had zero problems in 2 years since installing the stock valley pan I think the Indy cover would work well with there heads.
I would blame that on the copper sealer, I've never had that stuff work in a thick bead application. My gaps are huge, the black or grey RTV work great with no leaks.
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
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10/26/10 09:56 AM
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RatTrap,care to wager on your oil leaking assumption??? The gap was miniscule,contrary to what some of you were thinking! But,everyone's entitled to their opinion! So...how much on our wager??? Remember though, I am on a budget!   Respectfully, RandyB
Randy, I'll back your wager! You'll be fine.
Randy
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
#835552
10/26/10 12:42 PM
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I hope ur project seals good as oil leaks are a pain, I roll under the rule,If u think it will fail it prob will,so do it right before it happens. Keep us updated after a good road test. This is the best rtv that i have found RTV
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Labratt]
#835553
10/26/10 02:04 PM
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Bill,unfortunately,the vc gasket that leaked was one of Greg's! I just snugged it..not over-tightened whatsoever!!! Maybe he has some advice!???
RandyB, hear there is a valve cover leak issue with one side.
Is the other side ok and not leaking?
Check your valve cover for flatness in the area of the leak.
Don't be afraid to tighten the bolts, it's not cork and won't squish out as easy.
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: roadhazard]
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10/26/10 03:58 PM
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Don't be afraid to tighten the bolts, it's not cork and won't squish out as easy.Quote:
I like the cork gaskets designed to swell and fill the void. If the gasket is sliding when ur snugging the bolts u have all ready failed
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: ProSport]
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10/26/10 04:51 PM
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I thought about one of those for my motor.. I took a regular pan for stage 6 heads and made mine... Has a lexan middle to see the push rods easy..
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Re: INDY VALLEY PLATE RETROFITMENT COMPLETED!
[Re: Boosted]
#835557
10/26/10 05:43 PM
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Ontario, Canada
Stanton
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Has a lexan middle to see the push rods easy
Good luck with that ... lexan has a lower melting point than your engine's operating temp. I've seen S/S hemi cars with small windows on the valve covers which are fine due to the small area and where they are but putting a window in the valley is asking for trouble. There's a reason you don't see anyone else doing this and it isn't because you're the first to have the lightbulb go on!
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The widest gap is on the drivers side(front of motor)but it's only .150...nothing the Right Stuff can't handle! I'd like to thank Bob George 
looks to be only about 1/16" gap to me 
I have some other issues to resolve! Replacing windows on the house is the BIG one! NOT CHEAP! But..it has to be done! The builder sure didn't go top shelf on them when he built our "humble dwelling"! LOL!!! Also, the TTI's have to be re-coated and the front bumper has to be re-chromed...not to mention buying a carburetor! 
I was wondering WHY it disappeared..and I wasn't able to find it on the search engine! 
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