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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/04/10 11:28 PM
10/04/10 11:28 PM
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Ky
moparmafia
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Funny how everybody seems to find it neccessary to make excuses for Dave, except Dave. He basically said "Lane kicked my butt and I have work to do". Can you guys not just give Lane the credit he deserves, WITHOUT all the backhanded compliments. Yeah he won....BUTT, suspension, yadda, yadda, blah, blah......big motor, blah, blah, blah. Simply amazing, the things people say. Believe me, I realize this is a MOPAR board, but wow, still amazes me.
i dont think anyone was making excuses for dave they were just saying what if the mopar had the same cid as the ford what would be the outcome then? and if the heads and exhaust were better on the hemi than the ford then so be it. thats the way they were factory, not the same with the cubic inches. if you choose to run a ford that came from the factory with less superior parts than the mopar and you have to run 100 more cubes to win then so be it.
Monte
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: moparmafia]
#819755
10/04/10 11:40 PM
10/04/10 11:40 PM
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Oologah, Oklahoma
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Funny how everybody seems to find it neccessary to make excuses for Dave, except Dave. He basically said "Lane kicked my butt and I have work to do". Can you guys not just give Lane the credit he deserves, WITHOUT all the backhanded compliments. Yeah he won....BUTT, suspension, yadda, yadda, blah, blah......big motor, blah, blah, blah. Simply amazing, the things people say. Believe me, I realize this is a MOPAR board, but wow, still amazes me.
i dont think anyone was making excuses for dave they were just saying what if the mopar had the same cid as the ford what would be the outcome then? and if the heads and exhaust were better on the hemi than the ford then so be it. thats the way they were factory, not the same with the cubic inches. if you choose to run a ford that came from the factory with less superior parts than the mopar and you have to run 100 more cubes to win then so be it.
Monte
You can't say "what if".....because the Ford DOES has enough room to go bigger with a stock block.......That'd be like the Ford camp saying "what if" we had two carbs, an aluminum intake, heads that flow more air, and better exhaust manifolds.......  
THIS WILL NEVER BE AN APPLES TO APPLES CLASS.......Heck, there isn't even any weight requirements, leaving ALL kinds of room.........so there's no sense in saying "what if"....... 
The ONLY classes that are even remotely fair are SS/AH and the old IROC races, where EVERY car in the class is the EXACT same car........Anything else and there will always be bickering about somebody wanting an advantage.......
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: ademon]
#819762
10/05/10 02:38 AM
10/05/10 02:38 AM
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Kalispell Mt.
HotRodDave
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If I had to speculate I would guess they run slightly tight converters to reduce TQ at the launch. That is pretty much how I run my cuda on the street to keep from blowing the tires off.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: ademon]
#819763
10/05/10 06:41 AM
10/05/10 06:41 AM
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Worst Weather USA
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so there killing cyl for the first 100' or so, or taking massive timing out 
60' is slow for a 9.90 pass ..... just wondering...
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: 493_DART]
#819764
10/05/10 07:38 AM
10/05/10 07:38 AM
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NY
XXHEMI
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" mastered his MSD BOX "
theres a hint as to how these cars dont blow the tires off...
To clarify some use there MSD box to knock tinning out but not all. And yes tight coverters are the norm.
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: Big Squeeze]
#819766
10/05/10 09:13 AM
10/05/10 09:13 AM
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jim sciortino
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Let BES take 100 cubes out of that engine and lets see how it runs.
Better yet.....lets see it be 100ci SMALLER than Dudek and lets see how it runs.
You can't look at it like that..... That'd be like saying Dudek would need to install an iron, single 4 intake and carb, choke down his exhaust manifolds 25%, cut down his head flow 25%, and make him use a 40 year old block and heads to "see how it runs".........
No, it wouldn't be like saying that.....the extra carb, and manifolds are FACTORY items. 588ci vs 496ci is NOT. Compare apples next time.
Maybe I didn't say it with enough humility. The runs of the Mustang are OUTSTANDING.......capice???
All I was pointing out is that the Roadrunner, giving up almost 100 cubes is somewhat outgunned and BES is one of the nation's top engine shops. The Mustang owner did a tremendous job....there is no denying that.
And please don't tell me if a HEMI was available with a factory 4bbl set up, it wouldn't run. I have a cast 4bbl and single carb on a smallblock, built to take a squirt and it makes 894hp.
P.S......
Do you know the owner of the Mustang, or BES well enough to know that the heads and intake flow 25% less than the Roadrunner and that he uses 40 year old Ford parts.........or did you just make that up???
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: jim sciortino]
#819767
10/05/10 09:31 AM
10/05/10 09:31 AM
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Lees Summit, MO
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I talked with both Dave and Lane yesterday. I spoke with Lane about his front end and he said that the only non-stock Ford parts in the front end were the visable bump stop eliminators. Lets face it, he has some MAJOR weight transfer to get those G60-15's Polyglas(2 years old now) to bite and grip like they do. With the CID he is running, you know that thing has the grunt to pull the the lips off a Rhino, so running a tighter convertor to kill a little torque multiplication is going to help him get off the line. I also asked him about the time differences between e-town and Cecil in a month's period. He shared some facts, but none of them pertained to the engine. Both of these guys deserve the praise that you throw at them as they have worked very hard to get where they are at!!! Remember, with these cars, you can have too much horsepower if applied at the wrong time. I feel a lot of sour grapes are coming down because people have slick tire, open header cars that can't show themselves as legal on the street seeing that they would get their butts handed to them by these 'show queens'!!!! 
Snarl softly and carry a BIG stick
1969 Hurst/Olds Pure Stock
13.23@ 103.1 and the a/c blows cold!
Rusty Small
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: 493_DART]
#819771
10/05/10 01:43 PM
10/05/10 01:43 PM
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Monte_Smith
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so there killing cyl for the first 100' or so, or taking massive timing out
60' is slow for a 9.90 pass ..... just wondering...
You think a 1.52 60ft is slow for a G60-14 polyglass tire.......He might be taking some power out, but not a lot. The car works, the track was good and he hit the setup.
And for those complaining about the big inch Ford, I have never personally seen a 500 cube HEMI from the factory. Must be like one of those 440 sixpack HEMIs or something. Heard about em, just never seen one................lol
Monte
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: Monte_Smith]
#819772
10/05/10 02:15 PM
10/05/10 02:15 PM
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Today? Who Knows?
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so there killing cyl for the first 100' or so, or taking massive timing out
60' is slow for a 9.90 pass ..... just wondering...
You think a 1.52 60ft is slow for a G60-14 polyglass tire.......He might be taking some power out, but not a lot. The car works, the track was good and he hit the setup.
And for those complaining about the big inch Ford, I have never personally seen a 500 cube HEMI from the factory. Must be like one of those 440 sixpack HEMIs or something. Heard about em, just never seen one................lol
Monte
426-496... Whatever it takes...  FWIW I was blown away when they hit the 10's..
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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer
[Re: Monte_Smith]
#819773
10/05/10 02:20 PM
10/05/10 02:20 PM
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IL, Aurora
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so there killing cyl for the first 100' or so, or taking massive timing out
60' is slow for a 9.90 pass ..... just wondering...
You think a 1.52 60ft is slow for a G60-14 polyglass tire.......He might be taking some power out, but not a lot. The car works, the track was good and he hit the setup.
And for those complaining about the big inch Ford, I have never personally seen a 500 cube HEMI from the factory. Must be like one of those 440 sixpack HEMIs or something. Heard about em, just never seen one................lol
Monte
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