Funny how everybody seems to find it neccessary to make excuses for Dave, except Dave. He basically said "Lane kicked my butt and I have work to do". Can you guys not just give Lane the credit he deserves, WITHOUT all the backhanded compliments. Yeah he won....BUTT, suspension, yadda, yadda, blah, blah......big motor, blah, blah, blah. Simply amazing, the things people say. Believe me, I realize this is a MOPAR board, but wow, still amazes me.

Monte

If a HEAVY mustang with a single carb and inferior engine can do it, it should be easy to step up for the RR.

Back to work Dave!

I beleive they are useing a 460 block for the massive cube motors. They have really tall decks like mopars and big bore capability like nothing else. No cam interfearance like a chevy motor either. There really is no replacement for displacement especially in this kind of class, you can cover up a big cam so it still sounds kinda stock and a big cam is one of the best ways to increase airflow through a restricted engine. We all know the mopar is not really capable of that many cubes but it does naturally have better airflow. Mabey Dave could look into useing a 440 block to get a bigger bore, I would think with some special work it could be made to work and the way I read the rules it would be legal, still not able to get as many cubes as the ford but closer.

As for haveing too much power I seem to recall Dave once said he pretty much floors it right off the line and it is not blowing the tires off anywhere so I would think it could handle more power at the tires. Mabey he will chime in and let us know some of his thoughts, wish I could to afford to run that class, of course if I built a car I would have to trailer it 1000miles to compete, hint hint

Here is my You can take it and a buck and buy a cup of coffee. I don't care what brand name is on the cars you have to give credit where it is due. Lane has payed his dues and the proof is in the pudding.

The only thing I wish could have been different is that Dave would have had the first 9 second slip. He has worked long and hard, and to reach that milestone a pass or two short of being the first is a tough pill to swallow. But I am sure Dave is making plans as I am typing this to take back some of that thunder.

I think the main reason Dave has such loyal fans is that he is a middle class working guy with much heart and desire. He is competing with some competition that has a much larger budget and still has managed to hang in there and actually been fairly dominate. All this in a sport that that the spend to win ratio is completely laughable.

I think we should thank all the competitors in FAST for the hard work, resources and dedication they put into their cars which provides a great show for all to see with little more than some bragging rights and comradery to show for it.

It is good for the sport to have more than one brand at the top of the heap, it makes for larger crowds and better competition. If you think F.A.S.T. racing will survive as an all Mopar show I think you will be sadly mistaken.

I agree, Dave is a good guy, one of the leaders in this type racing and deserves all the props he gets. ALL these guys do an outstanding job and as a "CAR GUY" I am super impressed with everything they do. That is why it steams me when you see stuff like posted in this thread. Yeah, Lane won and congrats...BUTT......no, there is no BUTT here. His stuff hauls azz and he should be praised for that, WITHOUT the negative remarks. Ford, Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, Mopar, whatever, right now, HE is the man and should be treated as such. I have no doubt Dave will be back on top before long, but don't expect Lane to sit still and watch him go by. Major props to both these guys. Should be fun

Monte

I agree Mike the Corvette has untaped potential. I would also like to see some Olds, Pontiac and Buicks step up to the plate. A Boss 429 in the stick shift wars and some big inch Z/28 and Boss 302's in the small block race with a Olds W31 just for good measure. I almost forgot AMC where are you!!!!

Congratulations to all on their new bests and I am looking forward to next year with great anticipation. Best of luck to everyone next year.

They are not done yet!!!! October 15 and 16 at US 131 in Martin, MI. Mark your calenders and get er done!!!

As for your wishing of some of the other warriors from other brands coming up.... Everyone has their issues, but some have hurdles as big as Mt. Rushmore to jump over.

Speaking for myself, the BB Olds guys may have some good exhaust manifolds to work with, but the intake resembles a pancake and at the higher revs is like sucking through a straw (and this would be after you worked the intake over). The Smallblock Olds W-31 is a giant killer, but the combination was designed for header usage and the exhaust manifolds logs are far from stellar. That being said, I would love for someone to step up and make me shut my mouth.

Chevy and Mopar have some great designs and advantages that make them step to the head of the line, but you have to put your work in, no matter what you drive.

I called and gave congrats to both Lane and Dave today. Both of them are still giddy from the weekend, but you can tell, Dave is already working on the next step.

I also talked to Dave about the 9 second barrier. You have to have the air, the car, and the track for everything to work. No way in heck are you going to get one of these cars (I am sure it will happen now!!!!! ) to pull the 9 sec runs in the heat like at the Mopar Nats. It will be interesting how this all plays out, and I hope like everything that all people involved are careful and play it safe!!!!

Congrats to both Lane and Dave for their steller performances. It is out standing to go that fast. That being said. Looking at their runs they both make comperable power. I do not think that Dave needs more cubes. It was all maid up in they 60's. That Mustang was working. I have never seen a Mustang with the front end that high and not pulling the tires off the ground. If Dave was to maybe look into what it will take to get his 60's down to where the Mustang is he'd be another .02 faster. That maybe something to look at????????? Also I do not see how you can get 588 cubes on that stock ford block. You can not bore one and get enough stroke in that block 429/460 have the same bore size. Difference was in stroke. Them 60's where very impresive on that stang with them tires. I know Dave very well and he will not just sit back. He is a very hard working dedicated person. He loves to flogg. Jake

588" = 0.080 over (4.440" bore - not too uncommon with stock block BBF's) with a not-so-common 4.75" stroke crank.

.080 over with 4.5 stroke would be 554. SVO makes a block that will take a larger over bore but I would think it would be illegal as a Mega block is.

Daves problem going with anything larger than a 4.25 stroke with a 1/2" oil pick up is going to get close.

FORDS SUCK!!!!!!

HEMIS RULE!!!!!!!

Most of you know I was for a time the Tech director for FAST and at the time Wayne's Vette ~10.53 in the heat of the day at the Mopar Nats was the quickest and about 1/2 a second quicker thean the rest of the field.

I always thought the 71 Stang with the SCJ 429 would someday be an awesome combo and much praise and to Lane and I know the kind of extensive time and effort that must've went into it, I'd love to see the mods to the Cylinder heads on that motor, the oem's as cast have a particularly limited exhaust port so I know they've got a ton of work done to them to make that kind of power. (regardless of how many cubes you got). Back then I believe Lane was running a beautifully prepared Torino that was obviously a bit heavier and didn't transfer the weight dynamically like a mustang could. That fastback body was pretty popular in stock in the mid/late 70's due to it's weight transfer/hooking ability. The 429/460 isnt't really substantially (if any) heavier in race form than the ootb Iron headed 351C so it seems like a natural.

as for the mods to the front end if they deem the mods legal then that's what it is, even if it visually doesn't look correct. but that does seem to be a bit of a deviation from the origianl rules because I remember several contestents pointing out that Jack's (Iron's) car had a bit of visual alteration to the front spring eyes of the rear leafs...even though you did have to look under the car to really see it.....to a casual observer the stance of that bad bird was certainly correct. both as it sat and going down the track.

At the time I had wondered if anyone was running 70mm Exhaust (which is european spec and approx 2.75" od....even a nine year old can spot 3" pipe but 2 3/4 vs 2 1/2 can be really tough to eyeball....especially if very few are aware it is even available. I didn't spot any back then but I noted it would be an easy "upgrade" to make to the headpipes off the manifolds.

I want to make it to another show just for the fun of it and to see the great guys again....I had a blast for sure....But it would be interesting to see what "rules" (if any and I'm not saying any have ) might have been slackened up just a tad in the interest of speed and putting the hard found but well hidden power to work...I wonder if I would spot somethings that weren't kosher before or weren't 100% allowed back then...but even what I DID spot I'd sure as heck keep to myself.....after all it's SOMEBODY ELSE's worry now!!

Rulz are rulz but there are always things that fall into a grey area that can (in certain instances) create a double-standard where perhaps it's ok for some brands of cars but not for others and that's where tempers can flair and resentments started...it can definately be a fine-line.

Great job guy's!!!!