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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: Junky] #815710
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Well in theory if i run a 2200 to 2500 stall what cam should i run with out piston to valve clearance problems with KB400 pistons and what machine work to heads and block height is recomended?

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815711
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The Comp XE274H is a good choice. Similar to my cam and I'm running a 2400 stall. Mill the heads .030 if they are still stock. That will put you around 84cc. This will put you around 9.5:1 compression, which you really don't want be any higher with iron heads as stated before.

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: ireland383] #815712
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What pistons are you running with the XE274H?

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: DJVCuda] #815713
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They really like to drive the car alot,so I have to keep things with in some reason.I mainly didnt want to put a huge stall converter in it just for driveability




thats false - I run a 3800 stall dynamic with 3.23's and it drives like a stock converter = till you nail it!




I need to get one of those then because my 3800 turbo action is nothing like a stock stall.

...anyway if you are stuck with that build I'd call one of the custom cam guys and have one made. Tell them what car, weight, engine, stall and gear you want to run and they will grind one up for your needs. It will probably have a real fast intake ramp so you'll need good valve springs. Your 906 heads will be fine, even better w/ 2.14/1.88 valves but the 2.08's will work. I'd run an RPM intake, Holley 750DP and headers. Should make close to 400 if you can get the compression around 10:1.


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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: StealthWedge67] #815714
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How much should i mill the heads down to get to 84cc.Is there any piston to valve problems with .507 lift of the XE284H.Do i need to mill the block down for the 9.5:1 comp with this combo?

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815715
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How much should i mill the heads down to get to 84cc.Is there any piston to valve problems with .507 lift of the XE284H.Do i need to mill the block down for the 9.5:1 comp with this combo?




There is no way of knowing how much to mill the heads down till you CC the chambers to find out what they are, they could be anywhere from 88cc to 92 cc . Same for the block, you need to chose a piston. The block at minimum needs to be decked to make it square to the crank line and the same deck height side to side. KB pistons have canyons for a valve relief so that much lift SHOULD have plenty of clearance .

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: JohnRR] #815716
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average CC on stock open chambers are 90 cc, but it could be anything from 88 to 92

by each CC you must cut down 0.0042, so expect to cut around 0.030

then cut around 0.036 on intake side of heads


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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815717
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How much should i mill the heads down to get to 84cc.Is there any piston to valve problems with .507 lift of the XE284H.Do i need to mill the block down for the 9.5:1 comp with this combo?



In reality a .507 lift will be more like .490 lift if running stamped steel rockers which are more like 1.45 to 1, not 1.5 to 1.


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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815718
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What pistons are you running with the XE274H?




I'm running KB400's. The cam I'm running is a 275DEH 482 lift a little smaller than the XE274H. You should be fine with stock rockers. No issues here.

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815719
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I have a 68 383 that im trying to get more power out of.Its out and on the floor and now im going through the process of finding the right parts to make power on a semi budget.I am rebuilding the entire engine.I would like to know what pistons and bore would be best.I would like to run the biggest cam that i can without having to do a custom valve train.It already has 906 heads with 2.08 intake valves.Im looking for at least 400 to 450 hp.Anyone have any ideas?


my buddy has a fresh 383,he goes by don440 on here,i think he wants to sell it,it's zero decked crank turned and polished,all it needs is balanced and assembled oh it needs painted,don't know if that will help u any just thought i would chime in,thanks

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: bigblock4x4] #815720
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Here is a simple mild 383 I built that was in my boys Dart. I mean it is a very simple basic build. I used a stock 1970 383 shortblock. The pistons were factory replacement pistons I bought from a dealer in 1976. I believe the pistons were about .023 below the deck after I decked the block. But I put the older MP .484-284 cam in it on a 104 centerline. Used stock rockers and shafts. And I installed a Comp single spring on the heads. I cut the 452 heads to get a true 9.5 comp. I also did some bowl blending on the 452 heads which were stock other then that. Bolted on the Performer RPM intake with a 750 DP. Used a stock electronic dist I recurved and had the MP orange box on it. Had CPPA headers and 2-1/4 exh. An 8-3/4 rear had 3.91's in the rear and it had a Turbo Action 10" tight 3000 converter that drove just like stock and flashed nicely at the track. Car and body was all stock and we used McCreary G/60-15's in the rear. Best et was 12.31 @ 110 and would run 12.40's and 50's on normal days. You can say what you like about the older Mopar cams but this .484 made nice power and ran real hard. Ron




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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: 383man] #815721
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I think I'd run the XE268 or the Lunati 60302 anda factory high-stall convertor and you're done. No reason to get way exotic IMO if you're looking for a nice cruiser and not really looking to spend. You can do everything to the block, I do on my builds, but for a solid fun cruiser, you don't have to unless you want to maximize the effort and don't mind spending. Basic rebuild, blueprinting the block... If it was me, I wouldnt cut the heads more than whatever the max is that can be removed from the intake side and still seal the valve covers. Otherwise you're looking at milling an intake to fit special. Again.. How far do you want to go when cruising is th goal?


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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: moper] #815722
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so can someone tell me what the compression ratio would be useing the KB 162's at zero deck with a .039 Fel-Pro gasket & 80cc heads? Thanks, Tom.

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: Tom Fox] #815723
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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: Junky] #815724
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If i stay under the .500 lift cam spec.Can I run the stock non-adjustable rockers and shafts.I was just going to replace with mopar performance stock non-adjustable arms and shafts

Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815725
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If i stay under the .500 lift cam spec.Can I run the stock non-adjustable rockers and shafts.I was just going to replace with mopar performance stock non-adjustable arms and shafts





Yes,just make sure the pushrod length is suitable with a new cam that comes.


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Re: 383 performance upgrade questions [Re: greg383] #815726
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If i stay under the .500 lift cam spec.Can I run the stock non-adjustable rockers and shafts.I was just going to replace with mopar performance stock non-adjustable arms and shafts



The stamped steel rockers are not a true 1.5 to 1 ratio, more like 1.45 to 1 ratio at best. So, for example, a .518 lift is more like a .490 lift in actuality. Stock heads with stock rockers can handle pretty much up to .500 lift, but always check to make sure.


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