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440 engine identification... #813745 09/25/10 09:56 AM 09/25/10 09:56 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	I have a 440 block that I am trying to decode the information on the block pad. It reads F440 A 10 21HP. Can anyone explain these number and letters to me or point me in direction where I can find this information? Thanks for any help.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813746 09/25/10 11:07 AM 09/25/10 11:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country M MO_PA top fuel
MO_PA top fuel M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country	Quote: F440 A 10 21HP F440= 1970 440 A= .020 oversize bore 10/21= date assembled HP= high performance

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: MO_PA] #813747 09/25/10 11:51 AM 09/25/10 11:51 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Quote: F440 A 10 21HP F440= 1970 440 A= .020 oversize bore 10/21= date assembled HP= high performance Next question: Is this a 6-pak block?"

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Commando1] #813748 09/25/10 01:50 PM 09/25/10 01:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	What do I look for to know if it's a 6 pack?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813749 09/25/10 02:02 PM 09/25/10 02:02 PM
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pishta super stock P Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 893 Tustin, CA	is there an M code anywhere on the trans or oil pan rail VIN (if that even exists)? Or is there a P indicating Premium fuel anywhere? Dont even know if the 6 pack took Premium fuel. I dont think that info is always on the block, but T/A motors have this ..

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: pishta] #813750 09/25/10 02:08 PM 09/25/10 02:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country M MO_PA top fuel
MO_PA top fuel M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country	Quote: Next question: Is this a 6-pak block?" I've seen several known 6pac engines that were stamped with the A indicating .020 oversize bore

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813751 09/25/10 02:10 PM 09/25/10 02:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana D Dave Watt master
Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	Quote: What do I look for to know if it's a 6 pack? The VIN# stamped into the oil pan rail would have to match a known Six Pack car.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Dave Watt] #813752 09/25/10 02:42 PM 09/25/10 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	Look on the passenger side, down low for the VIN pad, what does it say?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813753 09/25/10 03:00 PM 09/25/10 03:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: What do I look for to know if it's a 6 pack? Commando1 now trying out for a job as replacement for Johnny Carson's "Carnac the Magnificent"

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #813754 09/25/10 03:03 PM 09/25/10 03:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: Quote: What do I look for to know if it's a 6 pack? Commando1 now trying out for a job as replacement for Johnny Carson's "Carnac the Magnificent" 6216424-5118133-signs440sixpackengineVIN.jpg (46 downloads)

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: OzHemi] #813755 09/25/10 03:43 PM 09/25/10 03:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	0G150--- found on the passenger pad next to the oil pan.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813756 09/25/10 04:39 PM 09/25/10 04:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	1970 car from the St. Louis plant, so it has to be from a B-body. If someone stamped dashes over the last three numbers it may be stolen?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813757 09/25/10 04:41 PM 09/25/10 04:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	last 3 numbers I kept for myself. What would make it a six pack? I was told the engine came from a B-Body.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Dave Watt] #813758 09/25/10 04:46 PM 09/25/10 04:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	That as already answered; Quote: Quote: What do I look for to know if it's a 6 pack? The VIN# stamped into the oil pan rail would have to match a known Six Pack car. The blocks are the same, so you would have to disclose the full number so people can check to see if they know of the matching car.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813759 09/25/10 09:07 PM 09/25/10 09:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	What would the numbers on the passenger pad next to the oil pan read for an E-body?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813760 09/25/10 09:28 PM 09/25/10 09:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	0B or 0E, it depends on the plant the cars were made at.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813761 09/25/10 10:08 PM 09/25/10 10:08 PM
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speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	How would I know where my car was built by looking at the fender tag or VIN?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813762 09/25/10 10:14 PM 09/25/10 10:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	It depends on the model year. For the 1970 model year as one example, it would be the 7th digit in the VIN & second digit of the engine VIN. ie - G = St. Louis.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813763 09/25/10 10:20 PM 09/25/10 10:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	I have a B in my 7th digit in the VIN of an E-Body. What plant and what would the engine 2nd digit be?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813764 09/25/10 10:23 PM 09/25/10 10:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	B - Hamtramck. 5th digit is engine CID. 6th digit is model year.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813765 09/26/10 06:07 AM 09/26/10 06:07 AM
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speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	build date for a 1970 is A12 from what I can make out on the fender tag. What is the date?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813766 09/26/10 10:45 AM 09/26/10 10:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,092 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,092 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: build date for a 1970 is A12 from what I can make out on the fender tag. What is the date? October 12 1969

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: JohnRR] #813767 09/26/10 12:41 PM 09/26/10 12:41 PM
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speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	what must the engine build date be compared to the body build date?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813768 09/26/10 01:01 PM 09/26/10 01:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea B5 Bee master
B5 Bee master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea	My motor assembly date is earlier the car SPD. '70 Cuda, has the same SPD as yours, A12, 10-12-69, although it must have been built several days later, serial is 157xxx.. The F440 motor has an assembly date 5 days earlier than the SPD, 10-7-69.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: B5 Bee] #813769 09/26/10 01:06 PM 09/26/10 01:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: what must the engine build date be compared to the body build date? So, what are your real goals in posting your questions here

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #813770 09/26/10 01:13 PM 09/26/10 01:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: Quote: what must the engine build date be compared to the body build date? So, what are your real goals in posting your questions here

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: OzHemi] #813771 09/26/10 01:33 PM 09/26/10 01:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	Goals: 1: To learn what all these codes mean 2: To verify what the engine really is 3: To see if what I bought was a good purchase 4: To get ScottSmith Harms to invent a possible situation from their imagination that doesn't exist 5: Trying to find the narks on this forum.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813772 09/26/10 02:07 PM 09/26/10 02:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Your doing well so far, not listing the entire VIN sequence does raise some questions though, sorry.' Quote: 1: To learn what all these codes mean 2: To verify what the engine really is So, do you normally go out and buy things you know nothing about?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813773 09/26/10 02:19 PM 09/26/10 02:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Goals: 3: To see if what I bought was a good purchase Is this engine for your 70 Charger 500 that you want to restore?

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Commando1] #813774 09/26/10 04:46 PM 09/26/10 04:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario S speedracer4406 OP member
speedracer4406 OP member S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 25 Ontario	Thank you very much for all the assistant. You are a great resource of information. have a nice day.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: speedracer4406] #813775 09/26/10 04:57 PM 09/26/10 04:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,092 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,092 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: People in glass houses should get dressed in the basement . To answer your question there is NOTHING set in stone as to how the engine assembly date corresponds to the SCHEDULED production date of the car other than it shouldn't be very long AFTER the SPD. But no matter how close the block is it will NEVER be the original engine .

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: JohnRR] #813776 09/26/10 11:28 PM 09/26/10 11:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,912 Anchorage, Alaska Iceman01 Challenged
Iceman01 Challenged Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,912 Anchorage, Alaska	So how much meaningful help was provided to this guy? Can he now glean whether he can get away with what he had been contemplating? Until total honesty is on the table, we're not even talking about reality...

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Iceman01] #813777 09/26/10 11:51 PM 09/26/10 11:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: So how much meaningful help was provided to this guy? Can he now glean whether he can get away with what he had been contemplating? Who knows, but allot of would be restamp artists out there come up short on knowledge when doing thier deed, and it nearly always shows in the results which makes my job easy when trying to verify original stampings. I'm not giving up any specific information to help them make their efforts less detectable that's for sure.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Iceman01] #813778 09/26/10 11:51 PM 09/26/10 11:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,657 Hamtramck, PA	Re-stamps are easy to spot, so if that is what he was planning, it can be caught sooner or later. A guy recently got over 80K back after contacting me about the car he had just bought. Dishonest people suck & there are folks willing to 'narc' them out.

Re: 440 engine identification... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #813779 09/27/10 01:46 AM 09/27/10 01:46 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	This thread took the strangest twist I have ever seen. I was joking about what the second question would automatically be. Never thought...

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