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early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/18/10 09:51 PM
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RapidRobert
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Used the bushings from a 73-76 A body moog front end reubild kit on my 65 Dart UCA's. they pressed in OK but today I went to istall the UCA and these bushings have shifted the UCA ~1/4" so if wont fit in there (on either side). WTH, it fit OK b 4 I changed them out. Are these bushings different from early to later A??. Thank you for your time.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
[Re: RapidRobert]
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09/18/10 09:54 PM
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Used the bushings from a 73-76 A body moog front end reubild kit on my 65 Dart UCA's. they pressed in OK but today I went to istall the UCA and these bushings have shifted the UCA ~1/4" so if wont fit in there (on either side). WTH, it fit OK b 4 I changed them out. Are these bushings different from early to later A??. Thank you for your time.
Take some measurements from your old bushings you pressed out.
Moog calls for the same part numbers for '65 and '73, '68, '70...
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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Alright if I still have the old ones I will compare them. yeah I thought they were the same also. Might have to R&R them & get the offset ones that you educated me that I should have in there w power steering. I still want max caster right?
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/18/10 10:18 PM
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Didn't have ths problem with my 65 Cuda, but I used poly not Moog UCA bushings.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
[Re: RapidRobert]
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09/18/10 10:18 PM
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Alright if I still have the old ones I will compare them. yeah I thought they were the same also. Might have to R&R them & get the offset ones that you educated me that I should have in there w power steering. I still want max caster right?
yep, max caster....
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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Thank you Steve, I'll get on it 
I have some bushings I can measure. But I want to take a run throught the canyons before sunset here. 
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/18/10 10:32 PM
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Whenever you have time and I'll measure these also. EDIT it seemed like I needed to remove about half of the outer flange shoulder on the UCA so the bushings could be pressed in further.  I will recheck
Last edited by RapidRobert; 09/18/10 10:37 PM.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/19/10 03:05 AM
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I have some bushings I can measure. But I want to take a run throught the canyons before sunset here.
Nice hard drive through Grimes Canyon and back. Bummer it was allready dark, but there was a full moon.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/19/10 07:59 PM
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I just measured one UCA from end to end & it was just shy of 9.5", much less than your 9&5/8". I can set either end into the frame tabs & it fits but then either other end wont. It's like the wishbone has been spread but my dimentions are less than yours . The car (65 dart) is on stands and has not been disturbed ex I started the eng & revved it several times but that's not it & as said the UCA's fit fine before I changed these 4 bushings. I am lost. I'll get back on it tomorrow.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 09:20 AM
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Jim I cranked the UBJ to 140 lbs w 1 leg in a vise and used the correct install tools for the bushings but I'm puzzled as my wing spread (9&1/2) is less than the 9&5/8" michael has on his. yes I'm thinking of compressing it as a last resort but I'm still missing something here. I'll recheck it this afternoon
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 09:45 AM
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EDIT it seemed like I needed to remove about half of the outer flange shoulder on the UCA so the bushings could be pressed in further. I will recheck
Robert , explain this ? Sounds like you ground on the arms and this may be where you lost your .125 ?
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 12:04 PM
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Bro I haven't ground anything (yet). Where I'm at is on both sides of the car (both UCA's are out of whack) I set the front of 1 UCA in the recess & it fit well and looked like it could be easily tapped into place but the other rear one the bushing seemed like it stuck out too far on the outer (rear) face so I was thinking I could take out the rear bushing & grind a bit off of the flange shoulder on the outside (rear) of the UCA then (re) press it in and then it'd be forward enough to fit as I thought it was a bushing length prob but then I pulled the front out of the recess and the rear bushing fit its recess nicely but now the front would not fit so both ends fit OK ex the wingspan is too wide. It was quittin time at that point and I have not been back on it (yet) today. That's where I am at on this. Any thoughts?
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 03:43 PM
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Jim I cranked the UBJ to 140 lbs w 1 leg in a vise and used the correct install tools for the bushings but I'm puzzled as my wing spread (9&1/2) is less than the 9&5/8" michael has on his. yes I'm thinking of compressing it as a last resort but I'm still missing something here. I'll recheck it this afternoon
I'm thinking you bent the one leg that was clamped down. Look through the bushings and see if they line up (like looking through a g*n scope). You will be able to see if they are straight.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 05:47 PM
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On my sons 68 Dart I used a Poly kit for my 65 Cuda. But in my sons car we had welded up all the gaps and I installed gussets to the tabs of where the UCA bolts in. This made the whole area so much sturder. But it was a bear getting the control arms in. Was tight but a "little rap" with a 2 lb hammer and they popped into place. Alignment was spot on when done. We'r talking about old stuff here and things have moved a bit from its first birthday, and so has our cars frontends. 
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/20/10 06:18 PM
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On my sons 68 Dart I used a Poly kit for my 65 Cuda. But in my sons car we had welded up all the gaps and I installed gussets to the tabs of where the UCA bolts in...
Good idea to gusset that area. Real common to find cracks in A-bodies around there.
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Re: early A UCA bushing install prob
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09/21/10 09:11 AM
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Hi there, I've just installed the Moog 7103's aswell on my ute and had a hard time getting the arm's back in. these Moog bushings seem a bit wider than the stock type that we get here in OZ, I think it's got alot to do with the washers they supply are thicker than the OME type, anyway what i did to get my arm's in was to put a small bend on the outside washers, maybe 45 deg or less on the bottom of the large washers, now you don't want to bend to much, I just put the very tip of the washer in the vice and give it a sharp bump close to the gaws. This was all it needed, so i could bump it in with a rubber mallat. hope this helps. 
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and I must have bent them when cranking the upper ball joints real tight. I didn't think an UCA would bend that easy. thank you for taking the time to measure and take pics of this. the bushings in there were actually fine but I had the new ones in the kit so I wanted to change them to feel I was making some progress 
