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Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index #794129 09/06/10 01:21 AM 09/06/10 01:21 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED OP master
HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Corey Bales driving the Mike Rothbuilt Challenger Drag Pac entry in E/SA ran a 10.00 yesterday the index is 11.70 and record 10.46 go home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: HEMIFRED] #794130 09/06/10 01:28 AM 09/06/10 01:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former... MIKES_DUSTER master
MIKES_DUSTER master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former...	WOW!!!!!! Any pics or video??

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: HEMIFRED] #794131 09/06/10 01:29 AM 09/06/10 01:29 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 247 nc M moeflo enthusiast
moeflo enthusiast M Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 247 nc	Fred, I don't know why NHRA is so slow about factoring these new cars (DP's and Mustangs). Currently, they're not in the ballpark. Then I see 5 SS/AH cars, all in the 8.60's that aren't qualified for the eliminator. Does anybody have a grasp on how much time/money is involved to get one of those cars that fast? The factors are all screwed up.

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: moeflo] #794132 09/06/10 01:36 AM 09/06/10 01:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 247 nc M moeflo enthusiast
moeflo enthusiast M Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 247 nc	...make that index screwed up in AH.

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: moeflo] #794133 09/06/10 02:31 AM 09/06/10 02:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Indy rumor is they are going to get HP on Tuesday. I hope they get hit hard and refactored into REALITY. I have heard of one 5.7 that made 615 HP on the dyno. Can you say "BOGUS"? I knew you could... And yes the Phords need HP added, too!

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: moeflo] #794134 09/06/10 05:21 AM 09/06/10 05:21 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED OP master
HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	I don't think anyone had a solid idea on what HP they would make until now. One program that I am familiar with has seen gains of 25 HP since first testing based on tuning. Just like any other factory package in the past I am sure adjustments will come. Let's just hope they don't render the cars usless like the early pro stock rules did home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: HEMIFRED] #794135 09/06/10 09:05 AM 09/06/10 09:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,763 Walton's Mountain, Pa Steve1118 master
Steve1118 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,763 Walton's Mountain, Pa	I have a buddy with a 428 Cougar E/SA that has already started wailing and gnashing his teeth over these "bogus" combination. After all, they should be "stock" cars. Just like his Cougar with the Edelbrock aluminum heads, the "chemical milled" components, and his boxfull of cams, all different, all legal. Right. "Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: Steve1118] #794136 09/06/10 10:30 AM 09/06/10 10:30 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED OP master
HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	I failed to mention the E/SA car is only a 5.7 and out ran most of the 6.1 A/SA cars home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: moeflo] #794137 09/06/10 10:59 AM 09/06/10 10:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,032 MN J JERICOGTX I Live Here
JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,032 MN	Quote: Fred, I don't know why NHRA is so slow about factoring these new cars (DP's and Mustangs). How do you factor a car that just hit the tracks? Until the cars hit the National, or Divisional races no way to adjust them.The only people that are happy racing in Stock/SuperStock, are the guys at the top. The rest need to work on there cars, and pick it up. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: JERICOGTX] #794138 09/06/10 11:00 AM 09/06/10 11:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	wow

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: JERICOGTX] #794139 09/06/10 11:08 AM 09/06/10 11:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,183 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,183 Park Forest, IL	The 5.7 combo will probably get 3.25% this week, and shortly the 5.7 will be in A or AA only. The 5.9 will get hit too. I believe the AA/S CJ got hit and will have to move into SS. It will all shake out in the end. I can feel for the guys with the older iron, but this has always been the nature of class racing. Hero to zero in the stroke of a pen. Most of the guys whining were the same ones whining about guys dumping and protecting their indexes. Now, NHRA took away .3 of index, the guys aren't dumping with the fast cars, and the other guys are still whining. See a pattern? "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: slantzilla] #794140 09/06/10 11:17 AM 09/06/10 11:17 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED OP master
HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	in the end isn't it all just a bracket race anyway home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: HEMIFRED] #794141 09/06/10 11:22 AM 09/06/10 11:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,032 MN J JERICOGTX I Live Here
JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,032 MN	Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: JERICOGTX] #794142 09/06/10 11:39 AM 09/06/10 11:39 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 116 Florida mack member
mack member Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 116 Florida	Quote: Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout. You are correct on the AH cars but several years ago NHRA decided that class wins mean nothing but a Class Walley and some bragging rights. Winning class does not put you in the field . You have to be one of the fastest 128 to get in... Don't believe this is right but still the way it is..... Mack Reeves SST 2377 FS/D 2377

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: JERICOGTX] #794143 09/06/10 11:51 AM 09/06/10 11:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida 4 408Dust super stock
408Dust super stock 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida	Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Class winners are no longer guaranteed a spot in the eliminator.

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: JERICOGTX] #794144 09/06/10 12:10 PM 09/06/10 12:10 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED OP master
HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout. So then the screamers are worried about the index staying soft because how far you can run uner it it determines you making the field. That's much easier than in the early 70's when you ran. The handicap was based on the nation record and you had a tenth breakout allowed. All these records now are bogus to me. home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: 408Dust] #794145 09/06/10 12:21 PM 09/06/10 12:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 168 Indianapolis Indiana J Jamie340 member
Jamie340 member J Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 168 Indianapolis Indiana	We raced the Candies car, and had our heads handed to us. We went a 10.85 and we were the slowest E/SA in the qualified field. There is no comparison between the two cars. The DPs are a very well thought out race car. From fresh air, after market manifold, after market oil pan, let alone the rear suspension. Indy had 174 cars show up for stock and CJs and DPs raised the bar, and a class win does not guarantee a spot. That rule has been changed. Jamie

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: Jamie340] #794146 09/06/10 01:30 PM 09/06/10 01:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW M mr_340 master
mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW	Fred, I can remember the Stock guys running off the records. From what I remember, that didn't work since people protected the records and rarely set them to keep their cushions. I think the AHFS will work, it just takes too long when the HP factor is so far off to start with. Maybe they need to review them more frequently and make more adjustments accordingly. That PT Cruiser is another one that will take time to get the HP right. Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: mr_340] #794147 09/06/10 10:39 PM 09/06/10 10:39 PM
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HEMIFRED OP master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	ANYONE KNOW THE COMBO OF THE PT CRUSIER home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index [Re: HEMIFRED] #794148 09/06/10 10:52 PM 09/06/10 10:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Quote: ANYONE KNOW THE COMBO OF THE PT CRUSIER PT GT Convertible 2.4L turbo -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

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